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Offline MonicaL

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #18 on: Monday 26 February 18 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Amelia and Margaret Wright, together with likely husband John Wright show back in Scotland for 1841. No other Wright children on the listing. From memory, Margaret showed as aged 10 so maybe born a little earlier that showing on the 1861 census entry in Edinburgh.

Struggled to find them so far in 1851.

Monica

Added:  From 1841 - all 3 showing as born outside the county:

John Wright 35 plasterer journeyman
Amelia Wright 35
Margt Wright 10
Address: Main Street, Gorbals Lanarkshire
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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #19 on: Monday 26 February 18 19:44 GMT (UK) »

However I have not been able to find a marriage of James Ross and Jane/Janet Sloan. Any ideas?

You'll find them in the Old Parish Registers, as they were married before the introduction of civil registration in 1855:

James Ross and Janet Sloane, 6 Aug 1845, Glasgow.

I think this must be them in the 1851 census:

145 Trongate Street, St Mary's or Tron
James Ross, head, married, 24, master musician, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jean (sic) Ross, wife, married, 23, domestic duties, Glasgow Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Mouet, visitor, unmarried, 20,  fruit dealer, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Margaret Mouet, visitor, unmarried, 23, fruit dealer, Glasgow, Lanarkshire

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #20 on: Monday 26 February 18 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Goodness, from your details Ruth, James and Jane were likely married 15 years before the arrival of their son Charles (they could have been early births/deaths pre 1855) and he only lived a few months. Sad  :-\

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #21 on: Monday 26 February 18 21:39 GMT (UK) »

However I have not been able to find a marriage of James Ross and Jane/Janet Sloan. Any ideas?

You'll find them in the Old Parish Registers, as they were married before the introduction of civil registration in 1855:

James Ross and Janet Sloane, 6 Aug 1845, Glasgow.

I think this must be them in the 1851 census:

145 Trongate Street, St Mary's or Tron
James Ross, head, married, 24, master musician, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jean (sic) Ross, wife, married, 23, domestic duties, Glasgow Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Mouet, visitor, unmarried, 20,  fruit dealer, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Margaret Mouet, visitor, unmarried, 23, fruit dealer, Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Ruth

Thanks Ruth... will have a look into it.

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 18:47 GMT (UK) »
I havenít quite pieced everything together yet, but I think you were on the right lines with Margaret Fish, Monica.

So, hereís what I have:

James Ross married Janet Sloane on 6 Aug 1845 in Glasgow. As we know, Janet Sloan/Ross died in 1861, along with her infant son, Charles.

James Ross then marries Margaret Fish in Edinburgh on 3 Sep 1861 - he is noted as aged 33, musician and a widower. Margaret is also noted as a widow, aged 24, a hawker of caps.

William Ross is born to James Ross and Margaret Fish in November 1862 in Glasgow. Margaret Fish/Ross died in 1863 in Glasgow.

I canít obviously find a marriage for Margaret Fish prior to her marriage to James Ross, but she did have an illegitimate son - George Fish - the birth was registered in Ardrossan, Ayrshire on 13 Sep 1858, by Amelia Hislop, Margaretís mother. The family lived in Saltcoats.

Amelia Hislop is the same Amelia Wright that youíve found with the infant George Knox in Edinburgh in 1861. I think we have to assume that Georgeís father was a Knox, although I canít find any evidence that Margaret ever married him.

Back to Amelia Hislop - on Margaret Fishís marriage registration in 1861, her parents are listed as John Fish, plasterer and Amelia Fish ms Hislop. However, the plasterer was almost certainly John Wright (as youíve found on the 1841 census in Glasgow), Ameliaís second husband. Her first husband, and almost certainly Margaretís father, was George Fish, who she married in 1819 in Greenock, Renfrewshire.

An Amelia Wright (other names Hislop and Fish) died in 1869 in Langholm, Dumfriesshire.

As I say, I donít think Iíve quite got all of the pieces together yet, but it looks like neither George Ross nor William Ross were Agnes Cummingís children, both were Margaret Fishís.

What a tangled web! :o

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Wow!! Totally blown away!!  :o :o :o

I am amazed by how you have got all this! I am still so much a beginner... don't think I would have sussed this on my own! Thank you!

I will have a look for the original documents with regards to it all and see what I can find out. I've got a busy few days ahead but I will try and get a bit of time to delve in.

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Yeah! Well done Ruth for piecing all that together!!

Monica
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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 21:30 GMT (UK) »

An Amelia Wright (other names Hislop and Fish) died in 1869 in Langholm, Dumfriesshire.

Ruth

Hopefully from Amelia's death reg you can match her parents to this potential birth entry for her:

Emilia Hislop
birth: 21 December 1799
christening: 29 December 1799
WEST OR OLD PARISH, GREENOCK, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
father: William Hislop and mother: Margaret Reid

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Re: George & Fallin Ross
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 21:35 GMT (UK) »
Just adding further details to what we have. Putting George Fish and Amelia Hislop at the right time for Margaret's birth in Liverpool is this likely entry for a sister:

Jane Hislop Fish
Christening Date (Original) 7 Jun 1831 at St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire
Birthplace: South Mason St
Father's Name George Fish
Mother's Name Amelia

Monica
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