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Offline nikearle

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Auckland Industrial School Info
« on: Monday 26 February 18 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

This is my first post so I hope I am doing things right. :) I am very excited because I have just found confirmation from Papers Past NZ Herald 15 Nov 1899 that a relative, Letitia Whittingham, was committed to St Mary's Industrial School. I think she would have been about 4 or 5.
Mother was Mary Whittingham (nee Commons). Father was John Whittingham.
Mary was John's first wife and she died in 1912. However, prior to this it appears John had several children with Isabella Chapman, who he made an honest woman of in 1913, after Mary died.
I always wondered if the marriage with Mary was troubled and if they informally separated but I'm not sure how to go about confirming this.
The court order against Mary was my first clue.
Can anyone look up Letitia's details for me?
Regards, Nicola

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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 February 18 22:42 GMT (UK) »
What details are you seeking for Letitia?  Admission into St Mary's Auckland?  Birth records?


As for Mary Jane Whittingham - there is a Coroners files for her https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23707348

Her state of marriage or divorce MIGHT be noted on the funeral director's register; and/or her death certificate  ???
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FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 February 18 22:47 GMT (UK) »
For other RCers

Marriage of Mary and John
1890/2814   Mary Jane   Commons   John   Whittingham
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FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 February 18 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Birth of children to Mary

1892/5123   Whittingham   Henry George John Edward   Mary Jane Agnes   John
1894/4047   Whittingham   Frank Moses Owen William   Mary Jane Agnus   John
1895/8761   Whittingham   Letitia Florence   Mary Jane   John
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FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 February 18 23:06 GMT (UK) »
A marriage of an Isabella to a John Whittingham

1913/2593   Isabella   Chapman   John   Whittingham


Children of Isabella and John Whittingham

1914/979           Whittingham   William Kendall   Isabella   John
1916/6158   Whittingham   Harold Gordon   Isabella   John
1917/25012   Whittingham   Frederick Francis   Isabella   John
1947/81999   Whittingham   Charles Ernest   Isabella   John
1947/82017   Whittingham   Florence Lillian   Isabella   John
1947/82018   Whittingham   Frances Eileen   Isabella   John
1947/82019   Whittingham   Janet Annie Isabel   Isabella   John
1947/82020   Whittingham   Lottie Evelyn           Isabella   John
1947/82021   Whittingham   John William           Isabella   Johnt
1947/82022   Whittingham   Joyce                   Isabella   John

(Note the bulk registration of children in 1947, which seems to be the year that Isabella died:
1947/20578   Whittingham   Isabella   71Y )

nikearle, where is the information from regarding Isabella and John's prior relationship?
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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 February 18 23:16 GMT (UK) »
nikearle

Have you seen this family tree: https://www.geni.com/people/Letitia/6000000068971783851

It also attributes another daughter to Mary and John Whittingham:
1898/1031   Whittingham   Beatrice Mary Victoria   Ann   John

As does this tree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whittingham-200

Beatrice died 2 months later:
1898/242   Whittingham   Mary Beatrice Victoria   2M

Twiggy
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FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 February 18 23:30 GMT (UK) »
 Hi TwiggyTree, all the birth certificates of the bulk late registered children have their birthdates as being 1902-1911ish which is how i know they were born while John was still married to Mary Jane Commons. There is nothing to suggest he wasn't their true father.
The Letitia query was more to try to prove Mary Commons was of ill-repute and justify why/how he would have children to the woman he later married but out of wedlock. I have her birth records, id love to get admission details. It is such a huge family to sort through.

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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 00:07 GMT (UK) »
Hello Nicola ... welcome to RootsChat.    :)

Unfortunately, we here do not have immediate or online access to Industrial school records (they are held by Archives New Zealand at their various offices.)

Have you looked at the Research Guide issued by Archives New Zealand ?   If not, then it's a good idea to do this.

http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides/education

[You'll need to scroll down a bit to reach the "Industrial School" notes. ]

   ~  Lu


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Re: Auckland Industrial School Info
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 February 18 00:10 GMT (UK) »
... just curious  ;D  ... did Letitia marry ?   

I couldn't see marriage for her under the WHITTINGHAM surname ??

   ~    Lu