Help - On the scrounge...

[stoves]

Hi All. As usual I'm on the scrounge for help as hit a brick wall...and living in Scotland it isn't easy for me to tap into Irish resources.

So tracing  my family back I got some details on this side of the water for my GGGGF George (Wesley?) Maguire who seems to have been born in Ireland (Think Cavan or surrounding area) to  a John McGuire (Maguire) and Margaret Brown (Browne). Seemed to have to potential matches, but not sure how or if I can make the final connection to either

Possible Connection 1: John McGuire B1828 Cavan Margaret Brown 9/3/1825 Ashfield, Cavan (Parents: John/Margaret) Margaret Browne 4/9/1821 Ashfield Cavan (Parents: James/Jane)

Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858 Film: 101241 Vol:4 Page:365 Image: 204 (John) 315 (Margaret) Cootehill, Cavan, Ireland
1846

I have George Maguire (McGuire) on the following:

1871 Marriage to Mary Hendry on 27/02/1871 and he is down as either being 22 or 24 (can't read)
Here it has John McGuire and Margaret n. Brown (both deceased)

1891 Census George McGuire, 44, Commercial St, Glasgow
Birth place is down as Ireland, which pushed me to search for John and Margaret there.

Any help appreciated...this one has stumped me and frustrated I cannot get past this. Happy to travel to Ireland but only if i can get a bit more solid info...would like to see if i could go back another generation or two, but guess it now gets difficult.

[hallmark]

Religion?

[aghadowey]

Some of the information you want will be difficult to find as dates are before civil registration in Ireland (births, deaths and Catholic marriages from 1864 and non-Catholic marriages from 1845).

Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858 Film: 101241 Vol:4 Page:365 Image: 204 (John) 315 (Margaret) Cootehill, Cavan, Ireland
1846
Extracted marriage record desn't give father's names, as is usually the case, so it's possible they were illegitmate or minster or registrar didn't record fathers- only way to know for sure if to get marriage or wait for it to come online later  (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFR-HZ2

Not sure what's the source of this-
Possible Connection 1: John McGuire B1828 Cavan Margaret Brown 9/3/1825 Ashfield, Cavan (Parents: John/Margaret) Margaret Browne 4/9/1821 Ashfield Cavan (Parents: James/Jane)

[hallmark]

Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lnm/  Marriage of MARGARET BROWNE in 1846 will not be yours if they were RC!

[Cwellan CoDown]

Cootehill is a registration district,

These could potentially be the same record, as Ashfield is a parish, and I thinik it is in the Cootehill registration district.

The second entry is probably from the parish register.

[aghadowey]

Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lnm/  Marriage of MARGARET BROWNE in 1846 will not be yours if they were RC!

Not true- could be a registry office marriage which came under civil registration starting in 1845.

[Cwellan CoDown]

A quick search on ancestry shows the following

Name:
Margaret Browne

Gender:
Female

Marriage Date:
7 Feb 1846

Marriage Place:
0365,Drung,Cavan,Ireland

Spouse:
 John Maguire   

FHL Film Number:
101275

[aghadowey]

Which is the same record I posted a link for in reply #2

[heywood]

1871 census index shows

George McGuire 22 yrs Labourer Coal .. b Ireland
Mary Henry 21 yrs Power Loom Weaver b Glasgow

They would be married by this date

Boarding with  Mary Cohen and children at 2 Guilday Court, Glasgow.