Jessie Duncan/Asprey West Bromwich Staffordshire

[suzard]

What a difficult family to find

I cannot find the Duncans in 1861
but possibly Robert was married to an Emily at that time

there is a death reg Emily Duncan age 36 Jun qtr 1870 West Bromwich 6b 433

Possibly the children -or some of them used their middle names
You need to check on GRO for mother's maiden names

1861 there is Thomas Duncan age 16 b Coventry
I think this could bebirth reg of Robert and Emily's 1st child
Thomas Duncan Jun qtr 1854 Coventry 6b402
but it seems he died Sept qtr 1854 Coventry

2nd child could be Walter Thomas Duncan Dec qtr 1855 Coventry 6d 348
I think this is the child known as Thomas age 16 in 1871

next is Elizabeth Ann Duncan birth reg Dec qtr 1857 Coventry 6d 392
This could be Elizabeth age 13 in 1871

next is Robert Willy Charles birth reg Sept qtr 1861coventry 6d 404
this may be William Duncan age 11 in 1871

next Emily Kate birth reg Sept 1864 Coventry 6d 407
think this is Kate age 7 in 1871

next Frances Janet Duncan birth reg Sept 1866 6d 423
she died Sept qtr 1866 age ) Sept qtr 1867 -so she didn't quite make her 1st birthday

the next child
 Frances Janet Duncan birth Sept 1868 West brom 6b 705
this could be Janet age 2 in 1871 -p.o.b. given as Coventry but West Brom on later census

it looks like these are the children of Robert and Emily
I haven't found baptisms

Suz

[suzard]

I am wondering if this is Frances Janet??

Marriage reg 
Sept qtr 1898 West bromwich
on same page
John Carter
Frances Janet Duncan

1901
131 Broadwell Rd Oldbury Worcs
John Carter Head M 32 Bricklayer Brey Brook
Frances Janet Carter wife 33 Glasgow Scotland (later she gives p.o.b. as West bromwich
Mary Ann Carter daughter 9 Wigan Lancs (later described as step daughter to John Carter and surname Duncan)
Thomas Robert Carter son 5 Oldbury Worcs (later described as stepson surname Duncan)
John Thomas Carter son 1 West Bromwich
Isaac Samuel Bentley? (difficult to read) nephew 24 S Iron moulder Taylors lane Staffs
RG13 2716 88 19

Suz

[matsonline]

Hi Suz,
This is absolutely fantastic,  wow ,ive had a couple of red wines cesoir and its freezing cold here in the Dordogne, but i'm going to take a look at all this tommorow and get back to you,
Thankyou very much
Bri

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Jessie had quite a few full siblings, but the history is rather sad

DUNCAN, DONALD         mmn RULE      
Q4 1874   WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 795    
Died Q4 1874

DUNCAN, MARION        mmn RULE        
Q4 1874  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 795

DUNCAN, JESSIE        mmn RULE      
Q1 1876  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 850    

DUNCAN, ROBERT        mmn RULE        
Q4 1877  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 827
Died Q2 1878

DUNCAN, ROBERT        mmn RULE        
Q2 1879  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 824    
Died Q2 1979

DUNCAN, ROBERT        mmn RULE
Q3 1880  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 792
Died Q3 1880

DUNCAN, HARRY        mmn RULE      
Q4 1881   WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 791    
Died Q4 1881

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Marion also died in Q4 1874 - registered as Marion Duncan Rule

[matsonline]

Hi Suz,

I have looked at all the Names and dates you found and am very happy to agree with your findings,
it all makes sense, Even the complicated Story about Frances Janet Duncan/Carter
She says in the 1901 census P.O.B scotland, but that was where her father was born, and like you said in the 1911 census she says P.O.B West bromwich and also says shes Scotish.
I wonder if she was married before and widowed , her daughter Mary ann and son Thomas robert both Duncan's gone to her maiden name.

Yes very sad tale of loss for Jessie and Her Mother Elizabeth (Betsy)and Robert
So Jessie had no full siblings but 5 half brothers and sisters.
Yes i agree that most of the time families used their second names As did Robert The Father his name was Thomas Robert Duncan
i would love to know where He came from and his ancesters, but ive hit a wall ,theres so many Robert Duncans in Scotland ,i have no idea about his ancesters.
But anyway Thankyou for all your help, i do understand More about Jessie Duncan My Great grand mother now, Elsie her daughter my gran, i await the arrival of her birth certificate and hopefully the name of her true father
kind regards
thanks again
Brian

[suzard]

Hi Suz,

I have looked at all the Names and dates you found and am very happy to agree with your findings,
it all makes sense, Even the complicated Story about Frances Janet Duncan/Carter
She says in the 1901 census P.O.B scotland, but that was where her father was born, and like you said in the 1911 census she says P.O.B West bromwich and also says shes Scotish.
I wonder if she was married before and widowed , her daughter Mary ann and son Thomas robert both Duncan's gone to her maiden name.



Brian

It doesn't seem like Frances Janet was previously married - More likely Mary Ann and Thomas were born out of wedlock

Suz

[suzard]

Hi Suz,

I have looked at all the Names and dates you found and am very happy to agree with your findings,
it all makes sense, Even the complicated Story about Frances Janet Duncan/Carter
She says in the 1901 census P.O.B scotland, but that was where her father was born, and like you said in the 1911 census she says P.O.B West bromwich and also says shes Scotish.
I wonder if she was married before and widowed , her daughter Mary ann and son Thomas robert both Duncan's gone to her maiden name.

Yes very sad tale of loss for Jessie and Her Mother Elizabeth (Betsy)and Robert
So Jessie had no full siblings but 5 half brothers and sisters.
Yes i agree that most of the time families used their second names As did Robert The Father his name was Thomas Robert Duncan
i would love to know where He came from and his ancesters, but ive hit a wall ,theres so many Robert Duncans in Scotland ,i have no idea about his ancesters.
But anyway Thankyou for all your help, i do understand More about Jessie Duncan My Great grand mother now, Elsie her daughter my gran, i await the arrival of her birth certificate and hopefully the name of her true father
kind regards
thanks again
Brian

Jessie did have full siblings -sadly none of them survived infancy

Don't be disappointed if Jessie's father is not named on the birth certificate - he would have to be present when the birth was registered for him to be named - sometimes the father of an illegitimate child put his name on the baptism record - sometimes the mother claimed off the father  and if so there would be a bastardy order. Who does jessie name her father on her marriage cert?

Suz

[matsonline]

Hi Suz
I know, i'm expecting it not to have the Fathers name on it, and where i go from there i dont know, just like lots of other people in the same position .But you never know.
I dont have Jessie's Marriage certificate -should i try to get it?
Thanks
Bri