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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #18 on: Friday 02 March 18 20:39 GMT (UK) »
There's this one
June 1902 Birmingham 6d 93
Hook, Ellen   
age 26

that's the same quarter/year as the Ellen Florence Hucks birth reg

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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #19 on: Friday 02 March 18 20:42 GMT (UK) »
Ellen Hook buried April 1902, Warstone Lane Cemetery
But no more free info
https://www.birminghamburialrecords.co.uk

Ellen Florence (Nelly) Hucks born 30.3.02, according to the army record

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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #20 on: Friday 02 March 18 21:00 GMT (UK) »
Trying to get a clue or two about how she referred to herself.

There's a decent fit for Nellie and Charles in 1891 at RG12/2389 folio 37 p20 & folio 38 p21:
2c3 Brass St
James Bailey, Head, M, 45, Living on own means, London
Caroline Bailey, Wife, M, 43, , Warwi'ks B'ham
Sarah do, Daur, S, 17, Jeweller folk?, do
Ellen do, Daur, S, 15, Tin worker, do
Charles do, Son, S, 12, Scholar, do

A possible fit in 1881 at RG11/3009 folio 125 p11:
5 Talbot 4 Back
James Bailey, Head, M, 59, Gun Maker, Warwk:re Birm:m
Harriett do, Wife, M, 58, Chain Maker, do
John do, Son, M, 35, Jeweller, do
Caroline do, Sons wife, M, 35, Chain maker, do
George Bailey, Son, U, 14, Glass Blower, do
James do, Son, , 10, Scholar, do
Sarah do, Daur, , 8, do, do
Neeley do, Daur, , 6, do, do
Charles do, Son, , 1yr, at home, do

A bit of confusion about the name of Caroline's husband, but everything else seems to match up.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #21 on: Friday 02 March 18 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Her birth appears to have been registered as Nellie - there's a group of Baileys including Nellie with mmn Hanman that fit the censuses

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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #22 on: Friday 02 March 18 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Daughter may also have died young.

Marriage, Dec 1922 Birmingham 6d 610
Clarke, Harry
Hucks, Nellie F.

Likely birth of a daughter in Birmingham, Sep qtr 1924

Birth of a son in March qtr 1926
And in the same quarter
Death, March 1926 Birmingham South 6d 91
Clarke, Nellie Florence   
age 23   

Almost a carbon copy of Hucks-Bailey
Could both mother and daughter have died as a result of childbirth?
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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #23 on: Friday 02 March 18 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Free index to the 1939 Register has that daughter born 1924, Nancy A (later Goodwin) in Birmingham C.B. with Harry Clarke born 1901 and Elsie M Clarke born 1903 and others.

Possibly Harry Clarke and Elsie M Heath in Birmingham in 1931.

One thing, Nellie Florence died Birmingham South, the likely son was born (and possibly died) Birmingham North.

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Re: help finding a death and sibling connection
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 03 March 18 09:35 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Andrew that the census entries he quotes are a possible fit.

Caroline Bailey is showing as living with son George in 1901 with son James next door.

To add to names "confusion" I think Caroline may also have been known as Catherine.

Possible marriage:

James Bailey and Catherine Hanman 1 Jan 1867 Aston Juxta,Birmingham

Catherine Hanman is recorded as with parents in 1851 and 1861 census (surname transcribed as Hauman). Father is Charles Hanman, a pearl button cutter,mother Mary A.

A baptism in Birmingham St Luke 29 Dec 1850 ( born 12 March 1847)  seems to have her first name as Caroline. Baptised same day as brother Charles.

Groindex seems to have birth as Catherine Handman - mothers maiden name Cubbage. This is also the mother's maiden name  of siblings Charles and Thomas.

Marriage 9 Sept 1846 St Martin

Charles Hanman widower pearl button maker
Mary Ann Hood widow -father William Cuppeage.

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