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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 March 18 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone. Kay, I made the same mistake and thought that the nickname was a reference to Henry's propensity to falling off. It has ruined a good joke. I haven't found him in the 1841 census which is frustrating and I can only guess he was working as a hired hand maybe on a stud or stable or something! Thanks to Glyn's help in my earlier post I now know that Henry Griffith, born 1809, was the son of Ann Hughes and Henry Griffith who farmed at Bodgauaf  Uchaf just to the south of Bryncroes. His father died in 1819 and Ann carried on farming 120 acres, employing 3 men. (Census 1851) Ann died in 1859 and I assume the tenancy was carried on by another son Richard who died in 1890.

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 March 18 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Glyn for the link-

what I find is interesting is that I have never heard of a tradition of studs or stables in this area.

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 March 18 15:36 GMT (UK) »
i believe Henry was living at what looks like Llys yn gwyn, Penmorfa in 1841. HO107/1391/8/16/5
Although it appears to be one property it has 11 occupants from different families. Is it a servants quarter? Although Henry is the only one who has an occupation Agricultural Labourer.

I seem to remember a handful of jockeys being listed around the Pwllheli area on Yffor.com and thats the only reason I mentioned it.

Glyn

Correction there are 3 servants among the 11.
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 March 18 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Please ignore my last suggestion for the Henry Griffith in Penmorfa. This one was still in the village in the 1851 census when your's was living in Criccieth.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland


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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #13 on: Friday 02 March 18 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Glyn. The strange thing is I can't find Henry's wife, Ellen or Elinor, or his daughters Jane or Anne either!

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 March 18 15:06 GMT (UK) »
I am scratching my head trying to find them in the 1841 Census. The nearest I came to it was a farmer down in Glamorgan aged 30 with two daughters Ann aged 3 and Elenor aged 1. However, his wife's name was Margaret. This made me wonder about Henry and Elin's marriage which was not mentioned in Achau [63]. I have searched and cannot find it. I notice on GRO for Eliseus birth in 1843 that the mother's maiden name is Williams. I assume that this means she used a patronymic second name since her father was William Jones or Elin was not the mother and Henry was previously married. The former is probably the most feasible. 
I also haven't found the birth details for Ann and Elinor although Achau [63] is specific about Ann's baptism/birth being 4/4/1838 but no parish is given.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 03 March 18 15:33 GMT (UK) »
I have now found two Ann's registered at Pwllheli in 1838
Anne Griffith D Quarter vol 27 page 325
Anne Griffiths D Quarter vol 27 page 315

Pwllheli 1840
Eleanor Griffiths M Quarter Vol 27 page 363

Strangely the mother's maiden name for all three is Jones.

It may be safe to assume that the family were somewhere near to Criccieth in 1841 but were not recorded on the Census.
Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 03 March 18 15:58 GMT (UK) »
There's this pair in Cefn Isa, Llanystymdwy [or Llan Ystyn dwy as Ancestry call it]

Ellin Griffith    25
Anne Griffith    3

HO107, 1391, 6; 3

If it is them, not sure where Jane or Henry are. It may fit as 1851 has children born Llanystymdwy c1842 & 1844

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Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 03 March 18 17:04 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Glyn and Mabel! I really appreciate your interest and help. On Glyn's comment, Cae Harry's wife Ellin was born at Dolbenmein in 1790 to Jane Williams and William Jones [Achau 57]
Harry's father Henry described as a Singleman, married Ann Hughes at Bryncroes in 1807. [yffor]
My GGrandmother Jane Griffith was also born at Dolbenmaen in 1836 and would have been only 5 at the time of the 1841 census. If anyone has transcribed the Dolbenmein returns some clue may be found there.
Mabel's comment is very interesting as one of my cousins has the diary of my uncle, Jane's grandson and we know he visited Llanystumdwy and we didn't understand his interest in the village. I think I will have to take a closer look at Ellin Jnr. and Anne!