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John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« on: Saturday 03 March 18 22:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi folk's,wondered if anyone could shed light on the family of my Gtx2 Grandfather John
Smith born at "World's end" which I believe is near Halton around 1825,we think his father
was also John and thank's to a tradition of using their wives maiden name as children's
middle names we presume his mother was called Ford,any info on either family would be appreciated.
John(Jr) married Lydia ann Robertson in Newcastle 1850.
Regard's Steve Smith.
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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 March 18 01:46 GMT (UK) »
Taken from BucksFHS - Halton, Bucks. Transcripts CD.

Baptism - 28 Nov 1824. John, child of Jno & Sarah SMITH, of Halton, Servant to Sir Jno Dashwood, Bart (I can only assume that Bart., is short for Baronet.)

Baptism - 16 Feb 1823. Sarah Ann, child of John & Sarah SMITH of Halton, Steward to Sir John Dashwood, Bt

Burial - 1 Aug 1824. Sarah Ann SMITH aged 18m of Halton.
Burial  - 31 Mar 1838.  Sarah SMITH aged 43 of Weston Turville.

Burial - 28 Sep 1863.  Sir John Richard DASHWOOD aged 67, Bart, Clerk of Halton.

John Richard Dashwood, 6th Baronet of West Wycombe, Bucks.
Birthdate:   1792 (71)
Death: September 24, 1863 (71)
Immediate Family:   
Son of Sir John Dashwood-King, 4th Baronet and Mary Anne Broadhead
Brother of Sir George Henry Dashwood, 5th Baronet and Captain Edwin Sandys Dashwood


No marriage at Halton for John/Johnathon & Sarah Smith.

I have the CD for Weston Turville PR's.  I'll look tomorrow, as that may bear more fruit.

Steve. :)
Ives, Stevens, Allen, Smith, King, Wooster, Elwood from Monks and Princes Risborough, Aylesbury, Wendover, Great Missenden, Bledlow, Horsenden, Saunderton, West Wycombe, High Wycombe, Lacey Green, Longwick, Illmer,  Hughenden, Prestwood, The Kimbles, Haslemere, Bradenham, Aston Clinton and more......!!  Plus a whole host of Oxfordshire areas.
Graham, Pimlott, Burgess from Cheshire and Lancashire area.
Acknowledgemets to http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/  and  http://www.ofhs.org.uk/

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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 March 18 04:15 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage for a John Smith and Sarah Ford at West Wycombe, 25 May 1822.


Your John 1850 marriage certificate should confirm if his father is the John and Sarah found by bucksboy.

Jo  :)
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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 March 18 13:19 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage for a John Smith and Sarah Ford at West Wycombe, 25 May 1822.


Your John 1850 marriage certificate should confirm if his father is the John and Sarah found by bucksboy.

Jo  :)

That marriage would make perfect sense, with West Wycombe being mostly the Dashwood Estate, and John Smith being a Bailiff/Steward under the Dashwood estate,  Plus the fact that John Richard Dashwood was a Clergyman. He more than likely married them, as well as baptising the Smith children.

There are 6 other Smith children baptised at Weston Turville, of John & Sarah SMITH of Weston Turville, Bailiff

1826 - Sarah Ann.
1829 - James.
1832 - Elizabeth.
1833 - William.
1836 - Hugh George.


Steve. :)
Ives, Stevens, Allen, Smith, King, Wooster, Elwood from Monks and Princes Risborough, Aylesbury, Wendover, Great Missenden, Bledlow, Horsenden, Saunderton, West Wycombe, High Wycombe, Lacey Green, Longwick, Illmer,  Hughenden, Prestwood, The Kimbles, Haslemere, Bradenham, Aston Clinton and more......!!  Plus a whole host of Oxfordshire areas.
Graham, Pimlott, Burgess from Cheshire and Lancashire area.
Acknowledgemets to http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/  and  http://www.ofhs.org.uk/

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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 March 18 16:19 GMT (UK) »
Jo,many thank's I think that's certainly their wedding,
Steve,great information many thank's for taking the time to find it,there are certainly
names in the Smith baptisms that turn up in John and lydia's family among
John Ford Smith
Anne Dove Smith
James Frazier Smith
Vincent Smith
William Abbey Smith(my Gt Grandfather).

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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 March 18 17:57 GMT (UK) »
To put some possible details of that marriage(as it's only an online transcription), it may well be worth 1 for the information, from BucksFHS marriages database.
It may give a those extra bits of info, that may help further.

http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php/research/36-requested-searches/22-marriage-searches

Steve. :)
Ives, Stevens, Allen, Smith, King, Wooster, Elwood from Monks and Princes Risborough, Aylesbury, Wendover, Great Missenden, Bledlow, Horsenden, Saunderton, West Wycombe, High Wycombe, Lacey Green, Longwick, Illmer,  Hughenden, Prestwood, The Kimbles, Haslemere, Bradenham, Aston Clinton and more......!!  Plus a whole host of Oxfordshire areas.
Graham, Pimlott, Burgess from Cheshire and Lancashire area.
Acknowledgemets to http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/  and  http://www.ofhs.org.uk/

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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 March 18 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Cheer's Steve that may be the way to go,We are(that is my brother with the Ancestry account)
chasing up those children baptised to John and Sarah in various Cencus,John Smith snr's
occupation on his son's marriage certificate is "factor".
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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 March 18 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Have you traced John Smith seniors death.  Do you know where he was born at all.  Is he in Cenus returns, and where ?

Factor(an Agent transacting business for merchants, or Sold goods on commission), is different to Bailiff or Steward.  But he may well have been doing both, at the same time, or later a 'Factor'.

Steve. :)
Ives, Stevens, Allen, Smith, King, Wooster, Elwood from Monks and Princes Risborough, Aylesbury, Wendover, Great Missenden, Bledlow, Horsenden, Saunderton, West Wycombe, High Wycombe, Lacey Green, Longwick, Illmer,  Hughenden, Prestwood, The Kimbles, Haslemere, Bradenham, Aston Clinton and more......!!  Plus a whole host of Oxfordshire areas.
Graham, Pimlott, Burgess from Cheshire and Lancashire area.
Acknowledgemets to http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/  and  http://www.ofhs.org.uk/

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Re: John Smith born 1825 near Halton.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 March 18 02:35 GMT (UK) »
1841 Halton House
Sir J Dashwood K, 75
Rev. J Dashwood Bart, 45
John Smith, 55, bailiff, born Scotland
Puplett, Sonnex, Lott, Dunkiss, Hart - London area.
Hudson, Jenner, Dedman - Sussex
Leach, Hopkins, Saunders - Wales
Leach, Lipscombe - Hampshire
Sipthorpe - Lancashire
Walters - Cornawall & Australia
Kingshott, Matheson, Pitt, McDonald, Keogh - Australia.