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Offline woiiftm

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How else to find Marriage Record ?
« on: Sunday 04 March 18 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I have a death record giving that persons parents but can find no record in Scotlandspeople site
 of the parents marriage or of the mothers death.
They are my G.G Grandfathers parents, his death being in 1905
A James Black married to an Agnes McLean, son Thomas deceased in 1905 in Edinburgh.
Both parents also deceased at this time.

Any advice on where else to look or any thoughts on why I can't find these records ?

Cheers

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 March 18 14:52 GMT (UK) »
Have you traced Thomas through the censuses - where did he live, and what do they tell you about birthplace and likely birthdate?

Presumably the death record gives you his age at death?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 March 18 14:56 GMT (UK) »
Have you traced Thomas through the censuses - where did he live, and what do they tell you about birthplace and likely birthdate?

Presumably the death record gives you his age at death?
Census results show living in Greenock up to 1891, born 1847 in Glasgow

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 March 18 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I have a death record giving that persons parents

Did he marry in Scotland and if so how are his parents named then?

Debra  :)

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 March 18 15:21 GMT (UK) »
I have a death record giving that persons parents

Did he marry in Scotland and if so how are his parents named then?

Debra  :)
Hello, parents named as I've already posted (mother still alive), Married in Glasgow 6/9/1867

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 March 18 15:29 GMT (UK) »
If he was born in Scotland in 1847 to married parents then their marriage won't be included in civil records (which only started in 1855 in Scotland).

You would be reliant on old parish records  (OPR) on ScotlandsPeople, though these provide far from complete coverage of early Scottish marriages. 
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 March 18 15:44 GMT (UK) »
If he was born in Scotland in 1847 to married parents then their marriage won't be included in civil records (which only started in 1855 in Scotland).

You would be reliant on old parish records  (OPR) on ScotlandsPeople, though these provide far from complete coverage of early Scottish marriages.
Hello, sorry should have said I did check the parish records, could be just not available.

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 March 18 16:07 GMT (UK) »
woiiftm,

As avm228 mentioned, one reason you might not be able to find the marriage record for James Black and Agnes McLean, or a death record for Agnes, is that the parish record sets are not all complete.

For Agnes's death, have you searched under her maiden name?

Have you checked online digital newspaper archives for a marriage notice and obits? (It's not guaranteed but it's always worth looking.)

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Re: How else to find Marriage Record ?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 March 18 16:21 GMT (UK) »
The other son John who appears with James and Agnes' on census records was born 9 years before Thomas, so perhaps it was a second marriage for Agnes.  She was still living with John in Glasgow in 1881.  This death looks possible, it fits with her age:

BLACK, AGNES   
Aged 75
1886
644/1 677
Bridgeton

MCLEAN, AGNES
Aged 75   
1886   
644/1 677   
Bridgeton

Debra  :)