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Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« on: Monday 05 March 18 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone, I was gifted these lovely photos and wanted to know if the women in these photos are one in the same? I believe that they are. The single photo of the woman holding flowers is new to my collection and I am quite certain that she is the same lady as in the other photos.

1- Can you tell what year the photos were taken by the clothing they are wearing?
2- Can you give me an approximate age of these people by their clothing? The man was born in 1865/died between 1901-1909 and his wife we believe was born in 1866 and died in 1901.

Any help would be immensely appreciated.
Claddagh
Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow, Ireland:  Johnson, Donnelly, Lenhan/Lennan, Heyden/Heydon, Hutchinson, Whelan

Co. Cavan, Ireland: Kiernan
Co. Sligo, Ireland: McGowan

Co. Tyrone, Ireland: Brogan, Curran, McBride, McDade, McDaid, McFadden, McFaiden, Nolan

London, England:  Smith/Smyth
Scotland: McGoun

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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 March 18 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Guessing the second two are 1890s - Huge sleeves.   Same person.

First one - guessing 1880s.

Not sure they are the same - certainly very similar but - hard to tell with the first faded, marked photo but I think she is older.  Could be closely related though - mother or sister?

Hope no-one shoots me down in flames with my guessing.  ;)

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Agree with 1880 but am in two mins about the other two. They're not clear enough for me to see much of the detail but I think the ones with the blouses just maybe 1900s. The skirt and blouse was popular then and the little boys may have laces rather than buttons (so after 1900).
Will try to make them clearer. Need to see the blouse front and boys boots!

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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:13 GMT (UK) »
I was tossing up about 1900s with that high collar on the blouse, but . . .   :-\ :-\

Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:15 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure about it but I've seen clothing like that on a photo that I can't find and it was 1900s. Need to see more detail on the blouse front though to be sure  :-\
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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone! The boys were born in 1887 and 1890.

I thought the first woman was the same as the last two. Would an Irishwoman come to England to take a portrait in a studio?

Could the woman in the first photo be the mother of the man or woman in the photo?

The first photo was in the possession of the son (the oldest of the two young boys in photo 3) whose parents are in the photo number 2.

Your impressions and information are much appreciated.
Claddagh
Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow, Ireland:  Johnson, Donnelly, Lenhan/Lennan, Heyden/Heydon, Hutchinson, Whelan

Co. Cavan, Ireland: Kiernan
Co. Sligo, Ireland: McGowan

Co. Tyrone, Ireland: Brogan, Curran, McBride, McDade, McDaid, McFadden, McFaiden, Nolan

London, England:  Smith/Smyth
Scotland: McGoun

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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:22 GMT (UK) »
If those are dofbs for boys then it would be 1890s then.

Can't see anyone travelling to England for a photograph though  :-\
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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:27 GMT (UK) »
Gadget - So that rules out having this woman be the mother of James Johnson the man in the second photo. His wife Emily Smith (we believe was born in London, England) and this woman might be her mother. We know nothing of her family.

If Emily was born probably in 1866, do you believe that this woman is older?

She appears to be light-haired, probably strawberry blonde hair and if the lady is older in the first photo than she might have gray hair.

So many possibilities that boggle the mind.  :o
Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow, Ireland:  Johnson, Donnelly, Lenhan/Lennan, Heyden/Heydon, Hutchinson, Whelan

Co. Cavan, Ireland: Kiernan
Co. Sligo, Ireland: McGowan

Co. Tyrone, Ireland: Brogan, Curran, McBride, McDade, McDaid, McFadden, McFaiden, Nolan

London, England:  Smith/Smyth
Scotland: McGoun

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Re: Are these women one in the same? Emily Johnson?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 March 18 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Part of the fun Claddagh!!  -  sorting out the threads!    ;)

If you could scan the first one again at a much higher resolution it would be easier to enlarge and see some detail.  Is that possible?   :)

Wiggy 
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.