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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 17:33 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant!  Did that require browsing or was it searchable?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Quite possibly a red herring, but I see that a Hannah Manley married Thomas Thomas (both of the parish) at St Martin in the Fields on 27 June 1806, after banns.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 17:40 GMT (UK) »
In answer to an earlier point, it was never the case that named parents had to attend a baptism (or even be still around or alive).  A baptism register doesn't tell you who presented the child for baptism.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant!  Did that require browsing or was it searchable?

It was on FindMyPast!
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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Quite possibly a red herring, but I see that a Hannah Manley married Thomas Thomas (both of the parish) at St Martin in the Fields on 27 June 1806, after banns.

Yes, I saw that yesterday and wondered if there was any connection. Difficult as it it so early, no real records to check.
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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant!  Did that require browsing or was it searchable?

It was on FindMyPast!

I have found it on there as you suggested - I had searched so many times but nothing.  I don't know how that happens.  Thank you again.

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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Quite possibly a red herring, but I see that a Hannah Manley married Thomas Thomas (both of the parish) at St Martin in the Fields on 27 June 1806, after banns.

Yes, I saw that yesterday and wondered if there was any connection. Difficult as it it so early, no real records to check.

Yes i've seen this one, like you say possibly red herring.  Thank you for looking

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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 18:12 GMT (UK) »
In answer to an earlier point, it was never the case that named parents had to attend a baptism (or even be still around or alive).  A baptism register doesn't tell you who presented the child for baptism.

Thank you for this, I never knew that.  Very interesting and would explain a lot.

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Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 07 March 18 23:33 GMT (UK) »
I wonder what happened at the actual service though, would both parents be expected to be there, together with godparents? I wonder if a vicar would question it if just the mother turned up?
As the second baptism took place a few years after Edward was born Hannah may have implied that she was a widow.
Edward's birth and baptisms happened during the Napoleonic Wars. Many fathers would have been absent when their children were born and baptised. Some would have been in army or navy. Civilians were recruited or conscripted into militias and moved around Britain and Ireland.
Even if a father was at home, unless the baptism was on a Sunday he would probably have been working and unable to attend.
At the time when a baby was baptised soon after birth, the mother would not attend; she stayed home, recovering from the birth. In places where it was customary for a woman to return to her mother's home to give birth, maternal grandparents would take the baby to church for baptism.