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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 08 March 18 11:18 GMT (UK) »
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June 1886 - JOHNSON  John William  25  Brighton  2b 149   
Sept 1889 - Johnson  John William  44  Wandsworth  1d 361

I would go for either of these. Brighton as that is where George Wells came from, so perhaps the family had moved there. Wandsworth as that is the nearest to Croydon, the others are all the "wrong" side of the Thames.

However, although the census said the children were born in Croydon, there are no registrations at the relevant times.
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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 08 March 18 11:18 GMT (UK) »
As we now know John William Johnson died between 1888 and 1901

I searched for deaths in the right areas ~(London - as the children were born in Croydon)


June 1886 - JOHNSON  John William  25  Brighton  2b 149   
Sept 1889 - Johnson  John William  44  Wandsworth  1d 361
Jun 1894 - Johnson  John William  28  Pancras  1b 77   
Sept 1895 - Johnson  John William  40  Romford  4a 236   
Sept 1900 - Johnson  John William  30  Paddington  1a 50  .

I also searched for a John William Johnson marrying a Louisa and found a few possibilities

Sept 1884
Baker  Louisa    Chorlton  8c 943   
Johnson  John William     Chorlton  8c 943   

Sept 1881
JOHNSON  John William     Gloucester  6a 418   
MEADOWS  Louisa     Gloucester  6a 418   

The locations don't suit for either - but maybe possibilities still - do you know what John William Johnson profession was?

Thanks Cwellan CoDown, I'm working my way through lots of possibilities like this at the moment but as you say nothing quite fits. 

According to the marriage certificate from 1914 when Christopher John Harris m Elizabeth Johnson - Father is John William Johnson (deceased) occupation is shown as plumber (journeyman)

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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 08 March 18 11:43 GMT (UK) »
It's strange that the family can't be found in 1891 or 1911.
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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 08 March 18 12:23 GMT (UK) »
It's strange that the family can't be found in 1891 or 1911.
Hi Groom, really strange, I am pulling my hair out again  ::)  I've been searching all morning, really thought I had some leads to go on today but just coming up with dead ends again.

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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 08 March 18 12:39 GMT (UK) »
I think the Croydon connection may be a red herring as there are no births for the children there and no likely marriages for a John Johnson to a Louisa. 
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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 08 March 18 12:43 GMT (UK) »
Keep this birth on record, just in case the children turn out to be illegitimate!

Louisa Matilda Johnson
1854 Jan-Feb-Mar
Croydon
Volume:   2a
Page:   184
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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 08 March 18 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Here's the 1911.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW5J-QJN

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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 08 March 18 13:10 GMT (UK) »
I see though that they still claim Elizabeth was born in Croydon. Although this time George also says he was born there rather than Brighton. He also says he is a cowman/farm labourer rather than a gardener which he was in 1901 and again on the later marriage certificate.

They claim to have been married 14 years, but there are no Wells/Johnson marriages in that period. Looks as if this family don't want to be found.
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Re: Two marriages for the same person but different father showing on certificate
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 08 March 18 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Can you post the following details from the marriage certificate please for Christopher John Harris

1. Estimated date of birth
2. CJH's occupation
3. Father's name
4. Father's occupation

Thank you