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Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« on: Thursday 08 March 18 14:54 GMT (UK) »
I'm currently trying to find any information reagarding the above Henry James Norris who married Elener Jane Fredericks 12/09/1926

I think I found him on the 1891 Census  but cannot find him any where else.  He might have died around 1943 but cannot confirm this at the moment

His father is also called  Henry Norris from my parents marriage certificate 1946 he was deceased by then though

Thanks in advance

Tarquin Christian

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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:00 GMT (UK) »
And his marriage certificate too

Henry James Norris married Elener Jane Norris on 12/09/1926
at St Johns in St george in the east , both were living at 104 Commercial  Road London
Henry Norris ( Deceased) ??
Henry James Norris Died ?? maybe 1943 but definatley before 1946 as stated deceased on my parents marriage cert

Elener Jane died in 1946

3 children Edna, Constance and Patricia
              Mum,  Aunt                Aunt

7 Half siblings from first marriage ( Fredericks ) No problems there

Thanks for the advice on copyright as well

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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:01 GMT (UK) »
The father on the 1946 marriage cert is the father of the groom ie  if the marriage cert is for your parents then the Henry James Norris given as father is your grandfather.

And he is the one presumably who married Eleanor Fredericks.  So , to find his father, you need to look at his marriage cert, not that of his daughter.

Ah! I see you have added it.  You will need to remove it, as full copies like that are not allowed for copyright reasons.  Just type up the info from them.
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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:06 GMT (UK) »
There are certainly plenty of Henry James Norris es around.

If yours was "of full age" in 1926, then he was at least 21, so should be on 1911 census but not necessarily any before.
Really need a death to get a birth year - but will take a bit of sorting to get the right death!
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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:10 GMT (UK) »
He had died before 1946 (when Elener dies)

as here is her Probate index entry:

Elener Jane Norris of 340b High Road Ilford, widow, died 30 Sept 1946 Administration to Albert Dennis Frederick and George Elijah Fredericks
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:27 GMT (UK) »
Yes, these are her sons ,along with,

Elsie, Frederick, Albert, John, Leslie, George, Gladys Fredericks and

Edna, Connie and Pat Norris

Apparently he left the family and my mother doesn't want to discuuss it at all. 

I think he was 1 in 1891 if that the correct family and in the GRO I found a Henry James Norris died in 1943 in Stepney .  Bit of a dead end at the moment until I find out what his mothers maiden name was.  I knew most of the above except Frederick and John

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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:46 GMT (UK) »
So (to get a handle on his likely age) his wife was born Elener Jane Goss (Dec qtr 1892 Greenwich) & married Frederick C Fredericks in St Geo East in 1912.

She was widowed when Frederick C Fredericks died aged 40 in Whitechapel, Dec qtr 1925.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:52 GMT (UK) »
The Henry J Norris aged 1 in 1891 in Christian St, St George in the East is a son of Henry and Esther, both aged 24 (and the only child listed with them).  RG12/285/14/27.

This possible marriage may be worth a look: Henry Norris/Esther Clark, on the same page Dec qtr 1888 Bethnal Green 1c 645.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Henry James Norris (grandfather)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 March 18 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Birth reg: Henry James Norris, mother's maiden name Clark, Jun qtr 1890 St Geo East 1c 361.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)