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Offline stevemiller

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Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« on: Friday 09 March 18 14:25 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 the Richmond family are at Castle House in Donnington, just north of Newbury, Berkshire.  HO107/17/23/8/11

Thomas Richmond     35 Ag Lab   
Lucy                 35            
Betsey         15      
John                 12      
George         9      
Joseph         7   
Helen         6   
Maria         3
Mary                 2
All born Berks, except Lucy & Betsey born in Hampshire

The eldest son was nearby at Shaw Red Farm HO107/17/21/5/4
William Richmond    12 Ag Lab born Berks

I know what happened to  Thomas, Lucy, John, Joseph, Maria and Mary, which leaves:

Betsey (or Elizabeth) baptised Oct 1826 Newtown, Hants. Had daughter Emily 1 Jan 1846, and then disappears.

William born 1830 only found in 1861 at River, Kent aged 30 railway labourer.

George born 1832 in 1851 at Fox Grove Farm, Kingsclere Hants aged 20 farm servant

Helen (or Ellen) born 1835 in 1851 with mother Lucy at Parrs Yard, Newbury.



I wonder if Rootschatters with fresh eyes can find what happened to these four?

Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 09 March 18 14:56 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage in Shepton Mallett Reg District for Ellen Richmond to Joseph Gane in Dec Q 1853.  I can't see an online parish record but they can be seen in the 1861 and subsequent censuses.  The 2 daughters who appear in the 1861 census both have mmn Richmond.  The only oddity is the place of birth shown for Ellen and her age is a bit out.

What do you think?

Barbara
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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 March 18 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for finding that, Barbara - but I don't think it quite feels right.

Ellen Gane nee Richmond was consistent that she was born in Shepton Mallet.
I would say she was born 1832 and baptised 14 July 1833 at Shepton d/o James and Sarah Maria Richmond.

Looks as if one of the Gane daughters, Ellen Sarah Maria, was named after her mother/maternal grandmother.

I can't find the 1853 marriage in parish registers so presumably registry office or chapel.

Lots of Richmonds in Shepton Mallet area - one thought to pop in the file.
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 March 18 16:42 GMT (UK) »

Betsey (or Elizabeth) baptised Oct 1826 Newtown, Hants. Had daughter Emily 1 Jan 1846, and then disappears.


Does daughter Emily disappear as well  :-\
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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 March 18 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Have you discounted 1851 - Elizabeth Richmond age 23 born Hampshire - a servant living Westminster
H0107/1484 f208 p10
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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 March 18 16:53 GMT (UK) »

Betsey (or Elizabeth) baptised Oct 1826 Newtown, Hants. Had daughter Emily 1 Jan 1846, and then disappears.


Does daughter Emily disappear as well  :-\

Emily is with Lucy in 1851 listed as daughter.
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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 March 18 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Agree with you Steve.  What a shame!

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 March 18 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Have you also discounted William who in 1871 is in Tower Hamlets with wife Mary and child Emily. William is a Railway agent age 41. No place of birth given for any of them.
RG10/577 f46 p10



Ignore him born Staffordshire next census  ???
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Re: Trying to find some missing Richmonds from Berkshire
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 March 18 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone.

Emily was with her grandmother Lucy at Parrs Yard Newbury in 1851 and 1861. I have her birth certificate and she is Elizabeth (Betsy)'s child, despite what was recorded in 1851. No sign of her after 1861.

An Emily Richmond married Samuel F Slipper in Reading in 1876, but FamilySearch says she was born 1828! 1826!

Rosie, I've not discounted those Westminster and Tower Hamlets finds, because I've not seen them before - many thanks for finding. I'll have a look and ponder.
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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