Albert HOGAN and his Mother Alice in Solihull area ?

[BumbleB]

Just realised why that 1901 entry didn't seem to tie in with the 1911.  1911 census shows the ages of the children when they died.    But it does now    I'll wake up soon. 

[avm228]

Just realised why that 1901 entry didn't seem to tie in with the 1911.  1911 census shows the ages of the children when they died.    But it does now    I'll wake up soon.

It actually overstates the ages at death of two of the three - but yes, it looks as though that was what they were trying to achieve.

I always think it so poignant when one sees the deceased children mistakenly included.

[homeguard]

What a fantastic response ! thank you, sorry for being abit slow on the up take but to confirm on the 1911 census there are John 41, Alice 33, William 8, Fredrick 5, Albert aged about one, in Yardley.  Have I understood it right ? Again many thanks.

[BumbleB]

Yes, you've understood it correctly. 

[avm228]

Albert Hogan b 10 July 1910 died Dec qtr 1978 Birmingham.

[Jool]

There is a burial of an Albert Hogan at Yardley Crematorium in November 1978.  You can download a copy of the burial register page for £5, just click in the person's name for download information.

https://www.birminghamburialrecords.co.uk/

There are 179 Hogans listed on the website at various cemeteries in Birmingham, you may be able to find other family members. 

Link to list of all Hogans   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq1/ 

Added:  The index does not show any middle names

[hanes teulu]

living children at the top of the list, and those who had died at the bottom.

That's how i read it.

[BumbleB]

Another thought - has anyone managed to find a marriage between John and Alice?  I have looked, but have failed.  1911 information says they have been married for 15 years.

[avm228]

I can’t find a marriage for them either - perhaps parenthood happened before they could get around to it, or even maybe John (quite a bit older than Alice) had a living spouse.

Alice is a bit of a puzzle actually - her birthplace looks as if it should be either Warwick (from 1901) or Crick, Northamptonshire.  (Transcriptions suggesting Lancashire are mistaken).

Anyway, Crick is close to the Warwickshire border, so not necessarily all that far from consistency there.  But although there is an Alice born at the right time in Crick, she is a with her parents, unmarried, in 1901.