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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Marriage
23rd May 1839. Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Susannah Masterson, widow - Father Bryan Masterson
William Owens, father Joseph Owen
This is my daughter in law's family, mentioned in reply #8!! She is descended via daughter Charlotte Owen 1848 married James Burton in Telford in 1871; daughter Minnie Burton 1888 married Charles Rowlands in Salford in 1908; daughter Charlotta Rowlands 1908 married Percy Stamp in Hendon in 1940.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 10:44 GMT (UK) »
Marriage
23rd May 1839. Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Susannah Masterson, widow - Father Bryan Masterson
William Owens, father Joseph Owen
This is my daughter in law's family, mentioned in reply #8!!

Interesting.  :)
Is your daughter in lawís ancestor an Owen?
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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Yes, just added route of descent to previous reply.

ADDED: Charlotte 1848 was the second daughter named Charlotte; first lived 1841 - 1845.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 18:38 GMT (UK) »
All- wow!! this is fantastic! I am going to work through it all now and see where it takes me - thank you so very very much. I will reply again when i follow all the leads through, but there are some very exciting leads here- and Josey - we may be distant relatives! how amazing this family tree hobby is.

thank you so very much for your time researching all this for me.

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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 14 March 18 15:02 GMT (UK) »
1841 570/32/14
Rowes  ??? Street
William Ewens   20 yrs Dyer b Ireland
Susanna Ewens   20 yrs b Ireland
Patrick Ewens 15 yrs Cotton Factory b Ireland
James Ewens 10 yrs Dyer b in county
Felix Ewens 5 yrs born in county
Jane Ewens 1 yr born in county
William Owens and Susannah Masterson lived in Rowe Street on marriage.
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Just cottoning on [sorry if I am slow here  ;D] & recapping here: are we thinking that James b 1828 & Felix b 1835 are children of James & Susannah Masterson but have taken step father's name of Owen(s)? Patrick Owens presumably a brother of William?

This looks like James and Susannah Masterson
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
James Masterson baptised St Chadís 1828 James Masterson Father of James Masterson
Felix  baptised St Chadís 1835 James Masterson father of Felix
John MASTERSON  1837 at Manchester, St. Chad Father James
Susannah Masterson mother of James Masterson baptised at  St Chad's 1828
Susannah Masterson mother of Charlotte Owen baptised St Wilfredís Hulme 1848
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 14 March 18 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Thatís what it looks like to me, Josey, but just my opinion.
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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 14 March 18 21:08 GMT (UK) »
It seems that way to me as well.

I have found the marriage record for James and Susanna. interestingly Susanna's maiden name is the same as her married name - this is very unusual I would have thought. IN addition James is shown as a widower, so there must have been a wife before hand too. so a lot more for me to go at.

I have decided to join the MLFHS to get access to some of the records.

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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 15 March 18 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Interesting to see that 1827 record thank you. Susannah was marked as a widow on the 1839 marriage certificate but as her father was named as Bryan Masterson I somehow thought that maybe she had married under her maiden name not knowing this was also her married name. Even if I had known she had been married before, I may not have taken it any further at the moment as my d-i-law is descended from a child with William Owen.

Disregarding the age of 20 in 1841 HO107/570/Bk17/32/14, Susannah shows as age 40 born Dublin in 1851 HO107; Piece: 2221; Page: 9 and 50 in 1861 RG 9; Piece: 2943; Folio: 27; Page: 7; 2 Cheetham St so born ca 1810-11. Therefore she was only 16 or so when she married James Masterson in 1827. Perhaps there was a small community of Irish Mastersons in Manchester and both James & Susannah came from it - James a cousin or uncle? She is a bit too young to have come over on her own. The earliest Masterson burial on http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php is 1843, so later than we would look for James' first wife or Susannah's parents.

1871 - this family RG10; Piece: 3995; Folio: 40; Page: 26 has William same age as Susannah & a daughter Ellen
William Owen   57 general warehouseman b Stretford
Susanah Owen   58 b Stretford
Ellen Owen   19 d b Manchester
Frances A Owen   5 d b Manchester
William Johnson Brook   51 visitor hawker b Stretford
our Susannah's William was a dyer in every other census so I am not sure about this family
Ellen may be
Births Sep 1849 
Owen    Ellen        Chorlton    20   229     entry sadly missing from GRO index for MMN.

Possible deaths but would still need finding on 1871:
Deaths Dec 1874
Owen    Susannah    64    Chorlton    8c   465
Deaths Mar 1877
OWEN    Susannah    64    Chorlton    8c   569
For the 1877 death there is a burial in Stretford Mar 7 1877 Susannah Owen 64 abode Hulme. I have ordered the 1877 death cert & will post details in due course.

William is a widow in 1881.
1881 RG11; Piece: 3898; Folio: 70; Page: 26; 3 Cross St
Julia Beatty   46
William Owen   60 dyer wid b Dublin Ireland
James Cornish   50

I have not found Susannah's birth on rootsireland. Bryan Masterson was a farmer from Susannah's 1839 marriage certificate.

For the back burner
possible siblings to Susannah though not Dublin
[ancestry]
Name:   Eleonor Masterson
Baptism Age:   0
Event Type:   Baptism
Birth Date:   1800
Baptism Date:   6 Feb 1800
Baptism Place:   Kells, Meath, Ireland
Diocese:   Meath
Father:   Bryan Masterson
Mother:   Rose Bennett

Name:   Mary Masterson
Baptism Age:   0
Event Type:   Baptism
Birth Date:   1802
Baptism Date:   26 Mar 1802
Baptism Place:   Kells, Meath, Ireland
Diocese:   Meath
Father:   Bryan Masterson
Mother:   Ann

Name:   Cathn Masterson
Baptism Age:   0
Event Type:   Baptism
Birth Date:   1809
Baptism Date:   2 Jan 1809
Baptism Place:   Collinstown, Westmeath, Ireland
Parish Variants:   Collinstown and Fore, Fore
Diocese:   Meath
Father:   Bryan Masterson
Mother:   Mary Cullen

Name:   Bridget Masterson
Baptism Age:   0
Event Type:   Baptism
Birth Date:   1818
Baptism Date:   22 Jan 1818
Baptism Place:   Kilskyre, Meath, Ireland
Parish Variants:   Ballinlough
Diocese:   Meath
Father:   Bryan Masterson
Mother:   Ann Hand

Also for the back burner
Deaths Sep 1862
Masterson    Brian    age 24    Fylde    8E   282  so too young to be Susannah's father but may be a son - have note to self to find on 1861...
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: James Masterson's death
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 15 March 18 13:51 GMT (UK) »
I found this 1826 Salford burial - a possible for James Masterson's first wife?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON