Timmins of Longton Stoke on Trent

[dreamer33]

Hi there, So frustrated about this side of my family! I cant seem to get any further along for some reason!! Let me try and explain..........
My great grandma is Eliza Timmins born 1894 in Longton Stoke on Trent. She has siblings Sarah Ann, Mary Ann, Joseph and James. Its her parents that are baffling me!! Through the census info that I have (2) I discovered they were Martha Ann and Joseph Timmins. Now in the 1901 census they are 36 and 35 which makes sense, yet in the 1911 census their ages say 52 and 50 didn’t they get to fill in 1911 census’s themselves???!!! I know that these are both the same family in both census.  They always list themselves as being born in longton, I cannot find them on previous census! I have no clue of Martha Ann’s maiden name! No marriage info, no birth info.... I’m totally stuck! Soooo I decided to send off for my great grandma Eliza’s birth certificate! No father listed!!!!!!! Yet Martha has signed as Martha timmins her married name!?!?!? I’m determined to crack this I have a feeling something is not quite right!!!!! does anyone have any suggestions or words of advise 😬😬
Thankyou for your time sorry for the long post!!!

[chempat]

Her sister Sarah Ann also has no father listed:

GRO
Sarah Ann Timmins   -
born 1891  September Quarter in Stoke upon Trent  Volume 06B  Page 281

[chempat]

Just putting 1901:
Joseph Timmins   36  miner's labourer   Longton
Martha Ann   35   scourer  Longton
Sarah Ann Timmins   10  Longton
Eliza Ann Timmins   7   Longton
Mary Ann Timmins   5   Longton
Elizabeth Timmins   1   Longton

presumably Joseph and James are born between 1901 and 1911?

[JJen]

Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.

On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -

James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins

1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ

JJ

[chempat]

Eliza and Mary both look the wrong age (18 and 16) and no first name given for Mr Timmins..

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSD

[chempat]

Son Joseph looks to be Timmins:

GRO
Joseph Timmins   no mmn
June quarter 1905 in Stoke upon Trent  Volume 06B  Page 291

[chempat]

Looking for her death (if she keeps Timmins)

Deaths September quarter 1918 
Martha A Timmins age  47    Stoke T.   so born 1870/1871, which does not fit with born 1865/1866 in 1901 or 1860/1861 in 1911.

[ChrissieL]

Could Martha Ann's maiden name also be Timmins.  There is a Martha Ann Timmins b. 1870
On the StaffordshireBMD website

Chris

[dreamer33]

Could Martha Ann's maiden name also be Timmins.  There is a Martha Ann Timmins b. 1870
On the StaffordshireBMD website

Chris

Hi Chris..... I never even gave this a thought! I suppose it could in reality!! Thankyou another Avenue I can go down