Timmins of Longton Stoke on Trent

[dreamer33]

Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.

On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -

James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins

1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ

JJ

Oh my gosh that never even crossed my mind!!!! I have seen the 1939 census the James that is listed as Martha and Joseph’s son was in fact born a Derry!!!!!....... but why would he still list himself as Joseph Timmins in the 1901 and 1911 census 

[dreamer33]

Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.

On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -

James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins

1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ

JJ

Oh my gosh that never even crossed my mind!!!! I have seen the 1939 census the James that is listed as Martha and Joseph’s son was in fact born a Derry!!!!!....... but why would he still list himself as Joseph Timmins in the 1901 and 1911 census 

Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.

On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -

James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins

1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ

JJ

I think u may of cracked it!!!!!! Thankyou 😮😮😮 I wonder why they never married!!! So many questions still 😭😭😭

[chempat]

It is exceedingly likely that Martha was born as Timmins, because her children were registered as mmn Timmins.

The questions are, why did Joseph Derry adopt the name Joseph Timmins, and why did they get their ages so wrong.

The birth in 1870 is the only one showing for a Martha Ann Timmins born from 1860 to 1871, so she appears to have sorted out her correct age for her death certificate.

[ChrissieL]

Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.

On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -

James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins

1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ

JJ

Could James Derry/Timmons have been Elizas son?

modification:  No forget that!  I agree that Joseph Timmons could be Joseph Derry

Chris

[dreamer33]

Thanks for your time and help everyone  I don’t think I’d of ever gone down the avenue that Joseph Timmins was in fact Joseph Derry even though it was staring me on the face all along!!!! I wonder why they never married! Maybe he was already married! I wonder why he took on the timmins persona.... brain is mushed I guess some things we’ll have to live with I’m sure it was all done for a good reason 

[ChrissieL]

I've just had a quick look on the  GRO site but can't find a Joseph Derry born in the Stoke on Trent area. There is a James Derry b Sep Qtr 1868 and a George Derry b Jun Qtr 1866 both with mmm LONG

might be worth following up and seeing if they are on the census records. I'm off to Wales for a few days holiday now so unfortunately can't have a look at the moment for you

Chris

[dreamer33]

Thankyou I’ll have a nosey at those. Have a lovely break in Wales 😊😊😊😊