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George Herbert Williams
« on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

Having bottomed out my grandmotherís line, time to turn my attention to my grandad, George Herbert Williams. This is what I have:

George Herbert Williams born 1912 in Epsom
Parents: George Williams and Viola Gladys Edwards
George senior was a jockey and spent some time in the army in WWI

My grandad George Herbert Williams was brought by his Grandad, George Edward Williams. We have in the family a letter which he wrote, which I will summarise here. For simplicity Iím going to call George Herbert my grandad GH, George my great grandfather G and George Edward my great-great grandfather GE (to try stop any confusion).

GH was brought up by his grandfather GE so he knew him well.
GEís mother was Miss Morman, whose father was the coachman to Earl Bathurst in Gloucestershire.
GE was the illegitimate son of Miss Morman and the Earl.
Miss Morman, known as Polly, received money from the estate and there was an enduring close relationship (but not marriage) with the Earl.
GE left home as a youth and walked to London, getting a job in a hotel where the previous person was called Williams, which is where our family name is reputed to have come from.
GH was brought up south of the Thames by GE.

Iíd like to follow my Grandfather's line back to see where they lead, if anyone can help. Incidentally my GtGt Grandad GH was known as Pomp and hence my nom de plume here 

Regards

Pomp

 



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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:18 GMT (UK) »
So:

George Herbert Williams mmn Edwards, birth reg Sep qtr 1912 Epsom.

Did his mother die young?

Gladys Viola Williams aged 21, Jun qtr 1914 Epsom.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Possibly connected to Gladysí death:

Birth reg: Violet Williams mmn Edwards, Jun qtr 1914 Epsom.
Death reg: Violet Williams aged 0, Jun qtr 1914 Epsom.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:23 GMT (UK) »
That sounds right, she may have died as a result of child birth which is why GH was brought up by GE and wife

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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:28 GMT (UK) »
In addition to the original post this is what I know of George Edward:

He was born 1855ish (Gloucester area) Mother Miss Morman
Lived to be over 100.
He was a billiard player.
Died 1955+
Had many children

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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:31 GMT (UK) »
George Williams married Viola G Edwards, Mar qtr 1911 Croydon - so you should be able to find them as newlyweds in the 1911 census.

Free index suggests he is 22 b Brixton and she is 19 b Cardiff.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:43 GMT (UK) »
George Williams married Viola G Edwards, Mar qtr 1911 Croydon - so you should be able to find them as newlyweds in the 1911 census.

Free index suggests he is 22 b Brixton and she is 19 b Cardiff.

Can I post the 1911 extract here, is that controlled by copyright?

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:45 GMT (UK) »
Donít post the image, or copy & paste someone elseís transcription, but you can post your own transcription of it if you wish.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Herbert Williams
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 21:47 GMT (UK) »
1911 Census 102/2961
259 Hook Road Epsom
William Edwards, Head, Married, 43 b. 1868, Roggett Monmouth, Asylum attendant
Mary Jane, Wife, 46 b. 1865Collingborne Wilts
George Williams, Boarder, 22 b.1889, Brixton London, Stable help
Viola Gladys Williams, Boarder, 19 b.1892, Cardiff

Lilian Mary Edwards, Dau, 16 b.1895, Cardiff, Dom gen servant
William Edwards, Son, 15 b. 1896, Cardiff
Henry George, Son, 11 b.1900, Luton Surrey, school