Author Topic: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?  (Read 563 times)

Offline SmallTownGirl

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,747
    • View Profile
Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« on: Thursday 15 March 18 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Today* I received the marriage certificate for

Thomas Alder, full age, batchelor,
and
Honner Simpson, full age, widow
on
15 March* 1847 at Hatford Parish Church, Berks.

The certificate says that the bride's father was Thomas Simpson, but that's a clerical error and should read Thomas Gerring. 

Thomas and Honner/Honor had a number of children, including my g.grandmother, Caroline Gerring Alder (b Hatford 1852) and I see that one of the witnesses at Thomas/Honor's marriage was a Caroline Gerring, and I wondered if anyone could help me identify who this Caroline was.  I think Honor's mother was Elizabeth Goddard, so I wondered if Caroline was maybe Honor's sister/sister-in-law?

Can anyone help, please?
Thanks
STG

Edited to say : On all census records, Honor's place of birth in abt 1812 was Shellingford.
Edited again to say : My knowledge of Berkshire geography is very limited, but I now think that Shellingford should be Shillingford. 

* nice coincidence with the date - it being 15 March today!
Always looking for GOODWINS in Berkshire :)

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline rosie99

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 27,175
    • View Profile
Re: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 March 18 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Honor Gerring married Henry Simpson 3 June 1833 at Shellingford

1841 for possible Caroline Gerring
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQR7-42D

her baptism
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR58-5V2
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline SmallTownGirl

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,747
    • View Profile
Re: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 March 18 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie.

I had seen the transcription of Honor's marriage to Henry Simpson (on FindMyPast) in 1833, but don't recognise the names of either of the witnesses (John Drewett and Charles Varley). 

Tried to follow up on the 1829 born Caroline Gerring, and found one in 1851 as a servant, but then confused myself again by finding a widowed Caroline Gerring b 1829 in Faringdon in 1901 with some of her children.  Just how many Caroline Gerrings were there?  ::)

STG

Always looking for GOODWINS in Berkshire :)

Offline ribbo39

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,848
    • View Profile
Re: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 March 18 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi STG,

In looking in the Shellingford transcripts the marriage is between Henry Stimpson., bach, Hatford and Honor Gerring, sp. By Banns with no other details,   whereas the marriage records produced by the Berks FHS  confirm the same name (Stimpson)  with the addition of "consent of parents".
This to me would suggest that Honor was under age.

There is also a bapt. for Honor Gerring 13-12-1812 d/o Thomas & Betty (Index says Honor, transcript says [Hoave sic] also bur. Thomas Guerring 31-7-1854 aged 83

Alan
Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
Artis, Gray in Norfolk

Offline SmallTownGirl

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,747
    • View Profile
Re: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 March 18 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi STG,

In looking in the Shellingford transcripts the marriage is between Henry Stimpson., bach, Hatford and Honor Gerring, sp. By Banns with no other details,   whereas the marriage records produced by the Berks FHS  confirm the same name (Stimpson)  with the addition of "consent of parents".
This to me would suggest that Honor was under age.

There is also a bapt. for Honor Gerring 13-12-1812 d/o Thomas & Betty (Index says Honor, transcript says [Hoave sic] also bur. Thomas Guerring 31-7-1854 aged 83

Alan

Oooh, so it is Shellingford after all! 

Honor is obviously a difficult name to transcribe.  On the 1841 census, she's a he, and Ancestry has transcribed the name as Homer - so I could say I'm descended from Homer Simpson!  Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd write!  :D

Don't want you to think I'm at all cavalier about facts, but as I'm not descended from Henry, I'm not overly concerned whether he was Simpson or Stimpson.  On Honor's marriage certificate in 1847, it's clearly written as Simpson, and he's on the Berkshire Burial Index and GRO Death indexes as Simpson. 

In the 1833 marriage, I'd seen the "with consent of parents" and as Henry Simpson seems to have been born about 1805, thought it must be Honor, who was then, probably, just a few months short of her 21st birthday.

Many thanks for all your help.
STG







Always looking for GOODWINS in Berkshire :)

Offline Galium

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,621
    • View Profile
Re: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 March 18 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Children of Thomas and Elizabeth Gerring baptised at Shellingford:
Isabel - 22 October 1797
William  - 10 February 1799
Ann      -  23 December 1800
Robert -    3 April 1803 (Buried 17 April 1803)
Robert   -    15 April 1804
Frances  -   7 September 1806
Thomas  -  14 August 1808 (buried 5 September 1809)
Thomas  - 10 June 1810 (buried 26 July 1813)
Honor     - 13 December 1812
George - 28 May 1815 (buried the same day)
John - 12 May 1816 (buried 17 April 1825)
Caroline - 10 January 1819
Joseph - 30 December 1821

The last four entries record that Thomas is a carpenter.
Marriage at Shellingford 9 April 1860

William Little f/a bachelor   labourer
Caroline Gerring f/a spinster

Caroline's surname appears in the civil marriage index as Guerring.

(unfortunately the transcript does not give fathers' details)

William and Caroline Little are in Kempsford, Gloucestershire (where William was born) in 1861. Caroline is aged 42 and was born in Shellingford.








UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline SmallTownGirl

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,747
    • View Profile
Re: Where does Caroline Gerring fit in?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 March 18 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Wow! ;D  ;D  ;D

Thank you sooooooo much.  :-*

That will keep me busy for quite a while!

STG  ;D

Edited to say : The 1860 Little/Guerring marriage transcription is on FindMyPast.  Caroline's father is Thomas, a carpenter.  Result!
Always looking for GOODWINS in Berkshire :)