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Where to find 16th Century information
« on: Friday 16 March 18 16:12 GMT (UK) »
One of my ancestor’s was John Woolton (1535-1594), who was Bishop of Exeter in 1579-1594. I’m looking for information on his first wife and her parents. I do not know her name, or have any dates except that their eldest son was born in 1565. I know where John Woolton was in the years 1563-94, and have checked the relevant registers, but can find no marriage or burials that might fit his wife. I do have bits of information about her father’s job and position, but I do not know his name or any clear dates or locations.

What I know is that in April 1585 certain charges were brought against John Woolton, Bishop of Exeter, including accusations of nepotism. The details of the father-in-law in the accusation were;
1.   He was the father of John Woolton’s first wife
2.   He was made a minister by Woolton after John married his daughter
3.   He was cater to the Duke of Somerset
4.   He was unlearned
5.   He did not understand Latin

John Woolton wrote a reply to all the accusations on 29th April 1585,in which he wrote about his father-in-law;
1.   He did not get his benefice from John Woolton
2.   He became a minister 10 years before John Woolton became a Bishop
3.   His parish is not under the Bishop of Exeter’s jurisdiction
4.   He has a good character, and is “a grave, honest, and godly old man.”

From these statements I can work out these things about John Woolton’s father-in-law;
1.   His daughter was John Woolton’s first wife (married bef. 1565)
2.   He is still alive in April 1585
3.   He is an old man, from John’s point of view
4.   He probably didn’t receive a high level of education
5.   He was cater to the Duke of Somerset (the cater was in charge of the household food supplies and hospitality. The Duke of Somerset was either Henry Fitzroy, the illegitimate son of Henry VII who was Duke of Richmond and Somerset in 1525-1536, or more probably Edward Seymour, Lord Protector of England, who was made Duke in 1547 and was executed in 1553, with the title falling into abeyance until 1613).
6.   He became a minister in about 1569 (John Woolton became Bishop in 1579)
7.   He is still a practising minister in April 1585
8.   His current parish is not within the jurisdiction of Exeter, but might be close enough to it for people to think it could be

Does anyone have any suggestion about how I could find out who this man was? Are there household records for the Duke of Somerset that might reveal his name? Or lists of ministers who were ordained in certain years? Where do I go from here?

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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 March 18 17:12 GMT (UK) »
As his mother came from a noble family one line of enquiry may be the Heraldic Visitations of 1564.
Not in Devon.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lra/
Lancashire seems to be a dead end as well.
1630:
https://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00sainrich#page/66/mode/2up/search/nowell
1567:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrb/
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 March 18 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Sorry I can't help you with your quest, but!

4.   He was unlearned
5.   He did not understand Latin

4.   He probably didn’t receive a high level of education

Not quite sure how an unlearned man, who did not understand Latin could become a minister at that time (unless I've got it completely wrong).  :-\  ::)

And, if he was cater to the Duke of Somerset, he possibly didn't come from a well-to-do family, who might have bought his ministerial role for him  :-\
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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 March 18 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked the Exeter Cathedral Library?
Briscoe-Midlands-Birmingham and Worcs.
Bragg-Birmingham.
Rayworth-Birmingham
Piper and Bevan Worcs and Herefordshire
Taylor -Birmingham


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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 March 18 19:07 GMT (UK) »
As his mother came from a noble family one line of enquiry may be the Heraldic Visitations of 1564.
Not in Devon.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lra/
Lancashire seems to be a dead end as well.
1630:
https://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00sainrich#page/66/mode/2up/search/nowell
1567:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrb/

Thanks for the suggestion, and the useful links. John was born in Lancashire and his mother's family, the Nowells, are quite well recorded. But unfortunately not so far as to include John Woolton's wife.

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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 March 18 19:08 GMT (UK) »
The other place to enquire IJ is the Devonshire Institution also on Cathedral Green.
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Briscoe-Midlands-Birmingham and Worcs.
Bragg-Birmingham.
Rayworth-Birmingham
Piper and Bevan Worcs and Herefordshire
Taylor -Birmingham

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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 March 18 19:08 GMT (UK) »
Duplicate post

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789877.msg6456617#msg6456617

Yes. I put it in the Common Room, and then thought it would be better suited in the Devon Research section, since it is about the Bishop of Exeter.


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Re: Where to find 16th Century information
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 March 18 19:16 GMT (UK) »
Sorry I can't help you with your quest, but!

4.   He was unlearned
5.   He did not understand Latin

4.   He probably didn’t receive a high level of education

Not quite sure how an unlearned man, who did not understand Latin could become a minister at that time (unless I've got it completely wrong).  :-\  ::)

And, if he was cater to the Duke of Somerset, he possibly didn't come from a well-to-do family, who might have bought his ministerial role for him  :-\

The first two points are the allegations. That does not mean they are correct. The third point is my guess, because John does not counter the allegation with any mention of a university or other kind of study. So I assume his silence suggests that there was indeed some truth in the allegation. But this is my guesswork. Maybe he knew enough to preach and minister, but was not a formally trained scholar. Until I know his name, I can't start to research him.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 March 18 19:18 GMT (UK) »
As a cator to the household, he would have needed to be able to read and write, manage figures, and be quite astute in dealing with suppliers, markets, staff and guests. He would have been educated to some standard, but not theologically. Maybe that is what unlearned in Latin meant?