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Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« on: Friday 16 March 18 16:33 GMT (UK) »
I am researching the Withoff family of Crewe, who came from Birkenhead, but originally from Prussia.

I have come across a newspaper report from May 4th 1917, concerning alleged abuse against Frederick William Withoff of Crewe, presumably caused by the anti-German feelings created by the Great War.

The report mentions a local's objection to a gravestone in the cemetery, erected by Frederick Withoff in memory of his father and mother.

I would like to know what that gravestone says, or if it still exists. Frederick Withoff's parents did not live in Crewe, so I do not think they were buried there, so I can not enquire via the burial records to find the exact position of the gravestone.

Frederick's father was William Henry Withoff (b.1838 Prussia, d.1879 Birkenhead) and his mother was Katherine Sophia Wendel (b.1845 Germany, married a John Gebherdt in 1885, and is last known of in Birkenhead in 1888).

Any help in finding this gravestone (or any other Withoffs in Crewe) would be much appreciated.

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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 March 18 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Deceased online shows burials at Crewe Cemetery for
Withoff, Henry Charles (1946)
Withoff, Frederick (1940)
Withoff, Carl Wendel (1905)
Gebhardt, Catherine Sophia (1901)

They are all showing under the same reference
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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 March 18 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Thank you! So glad you passed on that information! Does that mean they are all in the same grave?

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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 March 18 07:28 GMT (UK) »
There is only one entry in the burial book listing all 4 names.
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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 March 18 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Hmm - Frederick and Henry ..
this record states Frederick - father Henry (decd) so not your Withoff - but could be related - do you have any link to Wigan Withoff family ?

Marriage: 17 Feb 1890 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
 Frederick William Withoff - 22, Butcher, Bachelor, 83 Hallgate
 Alice Adelaide Boardman - 21, Spinster, 83 Hallgate
     Groom's Father: Henry Withoff, (decd.), Brewer
     Bride's Father: Joseph Boardman, Gasfitter
     Witness: George Boardman; Pauline S. Withoff
     Married by Banns by: Hugh F. Lloyd Curate
     Register: Marriages 1888 - 1898, Page 41, Entry 81
     Source: LDS Film 1885699
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ADDED  YES - I wonder why Wigan when abode is given as Crewe - I can only presume All Saints Wigan is the family Parish Church
Baptism: 23 Dec 1894 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
 Annie Christina Withoff - [Child] of Frederick William Withoff & Alice Adelaide
     Born: 9 Jul
     Abode: Crewe
     Occupation: Butcher
     Baptised by: W. Evelyn Kingsbury Curate
     Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1896, Page 179, Entry 1426
     Source: LDS Film 1885674
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their sons wedding - also in Wigan 

Marriage: 5 Dec 1914 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancashire, England
 Frederick William Withoff - 24, Butcher, Bachelor, 33 Caroline Street
 Annie Keenan - 22, Spinster, 131 Gt. George St.
     Groom's Father: Frederick William Withoff, Butcher
     Bride's Father: Peter Keenan, Miner
     Witness: John William Bird; Elizabeth Keenan
     Married by Banns by: C. R. Slee Vicar
     Register: Marriages 1905 - 1915, Page 237, Entry 474
     Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

so looking at those records - Wigan - although living in Crewe for the baptism of Annie Christina , we know that Frederick William Withoff father was HENRY WITHOFF - a brewer - is he in your tree ??...if not , do you want to try and find him ??





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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 March 18 08:05 GMT (UK) »
Whithoff, Alice Adelaide (died 1958)
Withoff, Annie Christiana  (died 1938)
are together in Coppenhall Cemetery
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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 March 18 08:19 GMT (UK) »
Hiya Rosie - geneanet.org records state the family are in Monks Coppenhall ( Crewe ) but also states that Pauline - who was a witness at the marriage - is in Liverpool ( might be Garston :) ...lol)

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Pauline is born 1874 Birkenhead aged 17 as a Housemaid Servant in Liverpool 1891 census - she is in St Catherines Parish ...
she marries in Croyden - Pauline Sophie Withoff in 1901
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Re: Withoff's in Crewe - Gravestone
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 March 18 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Hmm - Frederick and Henry ..
this record states Frederick - father Henry (decd) so not your Withoff - but could be related - do you have any link to Wigan Withoff family ?

Thank you garstonite. I have these certificates, and it is the same Frederick William Withoff as in the OP. For some reason he put his father's name down as  Henry.  The father appears as William Henry when he married Katherine in Sheffield, and when they had their children registered, so I'm pretty sure that was his name. Maybe he was known as Henry in the family. Plus he died when Frederick was 10, so maybe that is all Frederick could remember.