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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 17 March 18 22:17 GMT (UK) »
We know he was 37 when he married Mary Eveleen in 1895, she was 28.  So he would have been born 1858 which is within the lifetime of John.
You know that he claimed to be 37 when he married.

The evidence from the births index and the census is that he was born in 1853. His birth was registered in the City of London in 1853, September quarter, and the 1861 census says that he was 7, which exactly matches the date of registration of the birth. Similarly the 1881 says he was 27.

The 1901 says he was 45, which, if correct, would have put his birth in 1855/1856, but it also says he was born in Glasgow, which we know is incorrect. He was a year younger, only 44, by the time of his death later that year, which would, if correct, have put his birth in 1856/1857.

So his track record in working out how old he was is not very good. He was in fact 42 when he got married.
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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 17 March 18 22:24 GMT (UK) »
John Brackenridge Allan had at least 9 siblings born between 1794 -1814. John's birth or christening is showing as being on 23 Nov 1800. He shows as the 5th child born to this couple in the registers.

I think one of his siblings, Ebenezer b. 1797, like the father, called his daugther born in 1841 Margaret Keller Allan, using the name of his brother John B's wife likely.

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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 17 March 18 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Ebenezer Allan, brother to JB shows in London for 1861 in a related occupation https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-BZ4Q

On the topic of censuses, this looks to be JB and wife Margaret in 1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGTC-YSR  With JB's death in 1868, there is only one more census outstanding for him which is that of 1841.

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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 17 March 18 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Margaret Allan, widow, aged 69, born Lanarkshire, was in the 1891 census in Hastings, with her daughter Sophia C Allan, aged 42.

There's a death of a Margaret Allan, aged 78, in Chertsey in 1900. The Calendar of Probate says Allan Margaret of Eddlewood Weybridge Surrey widow died 20 October 1900. Probate London 27 November to Florence Black Allan spinster. Effects £7880 13s 6d, Re-sworn Aug 1901 £9424 19s 9d.

It looks as if Sophia C died in London in 1910, age given as 60. The Calendar of Probate lists Allan Sophia Coleman of Endlsiegh Exmouth Devonshire spinster died 2 July 1910. Probate London 30 August to Florence Black Allan spinster. Effects £12,468 19s 6d. Re-sworn £11,391 17s 9d.
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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 17 March 18 23:22 GMT (UK) »
There is also a will showing in the probate calendar for J B Allan in 1868. (This may well be worth purchasing to confirm connections). He died 18 Dec 1868 at Newington Hall Stoke Newington - executors named being Margaret,his widow, Alexander his son and George Bland Frost.

His marriage to Margaret Keller was by licence in 1840 ( Sept 12 in St Benit Pauls Wharf) names his father as Ebenezer who was a teacher but also states he was a widower.

There are also Freedom of the City of London Papers for him - one dated 20th Dec 1838 gives his age as 35 and confirms his father as Ebenezer late of Glasgow deceased and a teacher.

Appears to have been a son from first marriage as a further Freedom of the City of London Paper dated 13 Dec 1848 refers to John Allan son of John Breckinridge Allan of 69 St Paul's Churchyard, linen draper.

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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 17 March 18 23:57 GMT (UK) »
John Brackenridge's father Ebenezer Allan married Mary Brackenridge 1793.  Ebenezer Allan born 1766.  Can't find HIS (Ebenezer's) parents now.   There were two Ebenezers, because Ebenezer born 1766 had a son Ebenezer born 1797.  Elder Ebenezer and Mary had TEN children OML.  John was #5  There were four boys and six girls.  Good grief !
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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 18 March 18 00:02 GMT (UK) »
William,  so you're saying John Brackenridge was married twice?  First wife died?  There was a son, John Allan, with the first wife?  Then Margaret Kellar was his second wife?  I haven't heard of Alexander either.  What a can of worms!

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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 18 March 18 00:03 GMT (UK) »
John Brackenridge's father Ebenezer Allan married Mary Brackenridge 1793.  Ebenezer Allan born 1766.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that just because there's only one likely-looking candidate in the records, it has to be the right one. It's very probably the right one, but you can't be 100% sure there's not another one whose birth or baptism record, if it ever existed, has not survived.
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Re: Looking for information John Brackenburn Allan
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 18 March 18 00:38 GMT (UK) »
Yes he seems to have married twice - his age on marriage cert is given as 37 while Margaret was 18. Her father is named as Alexander Kellar, merchant.

Now just to complicate matters further there is this marriage Oct 13 1849 Camberwell

John Allan of full age bachelor mercer Father John Brakenridge Allan mercer
Jane Kellar under age with consent of parents spinster Father Alexander Kellar Gentleman.

So it would appear  that there are some Kellar connections to disentangle as well.

This is, I think, John and Jane in 1851 living in Lambeth

John Allan Head 26 Linen draper silk mercer b Glasgow
Jane Allan wife  21 b Glasgow
John Allan son 8 months b Surrey Brixton

This suggests that John Brackenridge's first marriage was probably in Glasgow.

London Gazette has this in 1846

Notice is hereby given that the Partnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned John Brackenridge Allan John Allan and David Ritchie of Saint Paul's Church yard in the city of London drapers and silk mercers carrying on business as Allan Son and Ritchie was this day dissolved...will henceforth be carried on by the said John Brackenridge Allan and John Allan.

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