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Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« on: Sunday 18 March 18 07:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, I could do with some advice from anyone familiar with researching Wiltshire records.
I am trying to trace back my Gr-great grandmotherís family and have hit the proverbial brick wall. Her name, from her marriage certificate is Emma Jane Read she married George Haskell 23 June 1874 at United Methodist Church, Salisbury, District of Alderbury in the County of Wiltshire. She was 20yrs at the time of her marriage and a spinster, rank or profession is not recorded, her residence was Fisherton Anger, father was William Read (deceased) his occupation recorded as Gardner.

In Dec 1874 Emma Jane and her husband George immigrated to New Zealand. on board the Edwin Fox and arrived in Wellington, Apr 1875. Their son was born Feb 1875 (surgeonís records) on the voyage out. On all their childrenís births, there were 11 of them, her birthplace was either recorded as Salisbury, Wiltshire or just Wiltshire. She died 1906 at the age of 52 which leads me to think that she was a lot older than the age recorded on her marriage certificate and her birth may have been  a lot closer to 1844 not the 1854 that I thought.

I have searched under all the different spellings for Read and used her second name to see what I could come up with but havenít had much luck. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Cheers
Yvonne
BURTON c1840 Northants, Hellidon;
CHAMPION Cornwall Breage;
FULTON pre 1857 Ireland (IRL) Down Belfast;
GROWDEN 1851-1874  Cornwall Roche;
GROWDEN 1874-1888 Taranaki New Plymouth;
HASKELL 1853+ Middlesex Hillingdon; 
HASKELL 1875+ Wairarapa;
HAWKE pre 1851 Cornwall Roche;
KEMPTHORNE 1806-1864 Cornwall Newlyn East;
POPE Cornwall; READ 1853-1875 Wiltshire Salisbury;
READ/REID Wiltshire, Salisbury?
STONEHAM Wiltshire Malmesbury;
TIPPETe 1803-1877 Cornwall,
WILLIAMS 1850+ Cornwall, St Austel

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 March 18 07:55 GMT (UK) »
Who were the witnesses to the wedding
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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 March 18 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Very hard to read the signatures they didn't photocopy very well. I can pick out the christian names but not much help without the surnames.

Y

Note: I've just scanned it and altered the background colour and the first witness name looks like:
Thomas T...ttin or tter or tten
the other name looks like:
Harriet T...ttin or tter or tten
BURTON c1840 Northants, Hellidon;
CHAMPION Cornwall Breage;
FULTON pre 1857 Ireland (IRL) Down Belfast;
GROWDEN 1851-1874  Cornwall Roche;
GROWDEN 1874-1888 Taranaki New Plymouth;
HASKELL 1853+ Middlesex Hillingdon; 
HASKELL 1875+ Wairarapa;
HAWKE pre 1851 Cornwall Roche;
KEMPTHORNE 1806-1864 Cornwall Newlyn East;
POPE Cornwall; READ 1853-1875 Wiltshire Salisbury;
READ/REID Wiltshire, Salisbury?
STONEHAM Wiltshire Malmesbury;
TIPPETe 1803-1877 Cornwall,
WILLIAMS 1850+ Cornwall, St Austel

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 March 18 08:42 GMT (UK) »
I am not sure why you question her age, her age on marriage and her death all tie in with an 1854 birth.

There is a birth for Emma Jane READ in Wilton Registration District, which is the correct district, in 1854 Vol.05A, Page 250. No mother's maiden name indicating probable illegitimacy.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 March 18 08:54 GMT (UK) »
Oooops you're right subtraction mistake - 1854 it is.

I had been searching through the Birth Indexes and did look at that particular entry and checked  maps to see how far Wilton was from Salisbury. I was hoping to pick up a baptism/christening date first before sending for that birth.

Y
BURTON c1840 Northants, Hellidon;
CHAMPION Cornwall Breage;
FULTON pre 1857 Ireland (IRL) Down Belfast;
GROWDEN 1851-1874  Cornwall Roche;
GROWDEN 1874-1888 Taranaki New Plymouth;
HASKELL 1853+ Middlesex Hillingdon; 
HASKELL 1875+ Wairarapa;
HAWKE pre 1851 Cornwall Roche;
KEMPTHORNE 1806-1864 Cornwall Newlyn East;
POPE Cornwall; READ 1853-1875 Wiltshire Salisbury;
READ/REID Wiltshire, Salisbury?
STONEHAM Wiltshire Malmesbury;
TIPPETe 1803-1877 Cornwall,
WILLIAMS 1850+ Cornwall, St Austel

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 March 18 09:19 GMT (UK) »
I think she may me the daughter of Harriet Read born c1833, living in Fisherton Anger a servant aged 18 in 1841.

Harriet was the Daughter of James and Caroline Read, who in 1861 had a granddaughter Emma the right age, living with them in 1861.

I am on my iPad at the moment so rather slow looking them up, if you get stuck I can look further when I go on my laptop later.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 March 18 09:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, I'll look at it tomorrow it's getting a bit late here.
BURTON c1840 Northants, Hellidon;
CHAMPION Cornwall Breage;
FULTON pre 1857 Ireland (IRL) Down Belfast;
GROWDEN 1851-1874  Cornwall Roche;
GROWDEN 1874-1888 Taranaki New Plymouth;
HASKELL 1853+ Middlesex Hillingdon; 
HASKELL 1875+ Wairarapa;
HAWKE pre 1851 Cornwall Roche;
KEMPTHORNE 1806-1864 Cornwall Newlyn East;
POPE Cornwall; READ 1853-1875 Wiltshire Salisbury;
READ/REID Wiltshire, Salisbury?
STONEHAM Wiltshire Malmesbury;
TIPPETe 1803-1877 Cornwall,
WILLIAMS 1850+ Cornwall, St Austel

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1854 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 April 18 00:51 BST (UK) »
*UPDATE*
I've just received the 1854 birth certificate for Emma Jane Read. The details are:

When & where born: 3 January 1854, Union Workhouse South Newton
Name: Emma Jane
Sex: Girl
Name and surname of father: -
Name, surname & maiden surname of mother: Emily Read
Occupation of father: -
Signature, description & residence of informant: X the mark of Emily Read, mother, Union Workhouse, South Newton.
When registered: 25th January 1854
Signature of Registrar: Jacob Wm Jeans, Registrar.

Still not 100% sure that this is my 2 x great grandmother, however I shall keep looking and it looks like its South Newton Workhouse records for me. if they're available for searching.

Y
BURTON c1840 Northants, Hellidon;
CHAMPION Cornwall Breage;
FULTON pre 1857 Ireland (IRL) Down Belfast;
GROWDEN 1851-1874  Cornwall Roche;
GROWDEN 1874-1888 Taranaki New Plymouth;
HASKELL 1853+ Middlesex Hillingdon; 
HASKELL 1875+ Wairarapa;
HAWKE pre 1851 Cornwall Roche;
KEMPTHORNE 1806-1864 Cornwall Newlyn East;
POPE Cornwall; READ 1853-1875 Wiltshire Salisbury;
READ/REID Wiltshire, Salisbury?
STONEHAM Wiltshire Malmesbury;
TIPPETe 1803-1877 Cornwall,
WILLIAMS 1850+ Cornwall, St Austel

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Re: Emma Jane Read born c1844 Salisbury, Wiltshire.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 April 18 01:42 BST (UK) »
The 1841 census also has an Emily. Same family has Emma J is with in 1861

1841 Compton Chamberlayne, Wilton, Wiltshire, England

All b in county Wiltshire
James   Read   Male   40   
Caroline   Read   Female   36      
George   Read   Male   10   
Harriott   Read   Female   8   
Emily   Read   Female   5   ****
Maria   Read   Female   2   



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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall