Author Topic: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger  (Read 1760 times)

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Looking for info on family of 3rd great uncle

We have a bit of information but it is mostly from other family trees with limited supporting documents.

We believe Thomas and Sarah married 23 Nov 1826 at St Mary, Islington.

We have found one child Thomas Henry Shaw Birth 4 SEP 1828 London, England Death 24 AUG 1914 St Arnaud, Victoria, Australia.  We do not know if he was sent to Australia or moved to find a new life.

Thomas Shaw's parents were


Michael Shaw 1774–1835
 
Catherine Stevenson 1773–1848

Both passed in London, England.
 



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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 March 18 22:58 GMT (UK) »
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We have found one child Thomas Henry Shaw Birth 4 SEP 1828 London, England Death 24 AUG 1914 St Arnaud, Victoria, Australia.  We do not know if he was sent to Australia or moved to find a new life.

Have you checked to see whether he appears on any English census from 1841 onwards?

Have you checked for census entries for Thomas & Sarah to see if they had any other children?
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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 March 18 23:33 GMT (UK) »
The Australian birth Index has the Thomas Henry Shaw who died in St Arnaud as the s/o Thomas and Emma.

I assume that this is the Thomas Henry Shaw who married Jane Webb, 13 Oct 1850 at St Leonard Shoreditch. He was a carpenter of Plumber Street and his father Thomas was also a carpenter.

1841 Census - Plumber Street St Leonard
Thomas Shaw, 40, carpenter, not born in county
Frances Shaw. 40..................ditto
Thomas Shaw, 13, b. Middlesex
Mary Shaw, 10..........ditto
Thomas Shaw, 75, not born in county
Elizabeth Shaw, 75, not born in county.

The marriage you referred to earlier was a Thomas Shaw, widower to Sarah Hedger spinster, 23 Nov 1826, St Mary Islington.

Given the 1841 I don't believe that this correct.

You also cite Thomas Henry Shaw born 4 Sept 1828 St Mary Islington - this one would also be incorrect as the details are Thomas Henry Shaw, baptised 4 Sept 1828, s/o Thomas & Sarah of Cow Cross Street, a cheesemonger.

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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 March 18 00:30 GMT (UK) »
The Australian birth Index has the Thomas Henry Shaw who died in St Arnaud as the s/o Thomas and Emma.


A report of his death here:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article119810228

"The death is reported of Mr Thos H Shaw, of St Arnaud, aged 86 years. He leaves threee sons and two daughters, his wife having predeceased him 26 years ago. At one time the deceased followed mining pursuits at Talbot."

Modified to add:
Another death notice with some more info
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article154608623

"DEATH OF A PIONEER
The death is reported of a very old colonist, Mr Thos H Shaw of St Arnaud. The deceased who was 86 years of age leaves a family of three daughters and two sons, one of the latter being Mr John Shaw of Ballarat. His wife predeceased him 26 years ago. The late Mr Shaw was born in London and came to Australia when 24 years of age. For a time he followed mining pursuits at Talbot and subsequently came to St Arnaud."

Modified again:
Don't know how I missed this one -
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88046218

More info again, including that he worked as a carpenter, and names of his children


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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 March 18 00:34 GMT (UK) »
Thomas' wife Jane's death:

Jane Copeland SHAW, age 59
St Arnaud, Victoria, 1887, Reg no 12020

Parents - John WEBB and Jane
Spouse - Thomas Henry SHAW


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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 March 18 01:08 GMT (UK) »
ok, a bit confusing.....
Thomas Henry Shaw marries Jane Webb in 1850....he is a carpenter, as is his father Thomas...
Australian records show him to be a carpenter as well. This would match with the earlier 1841 census record showing Thomas with father Thomas a carpenter.

In 1851 at 9 Britannia Street Shoreditch, only a year after his marriage to Jane Webb....
Thomas Shaw, 23 blacksmith & farrier born Cow Cross (as per baptism to father Thomas a cheesmonger!)
Jane Shaw, 27, wife
Henry Webb, 5

1853 - aboard the Northumbria to Melbourne..
Thomas Shaw, a smith
Jane Shaw
Henry Shaw
Elizabeth Shaw

Baptisms on 16 June 1852, St John Hoxton
Henry William Webb (now Shaw) (as noted on record), born 6 Dec 1845 at Clarence Street to Jane, a servant
Elizabeth Shaw, born 22 Aug 1851, at Britannia Street to Thomas Henry & Jane, father a farrier.

So it seems as if Thomas Henry was a carpenter up to 1850 when he married Jane, then became a blacksmith & farrier in 1851 up to immigrating in 1853, when he then reverted to being a carpenter??

Father Thomas also went from a cheese-monger on his baptism to a carpenter on the 1841 census and 1850 marriage record???

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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 March 18 01:09 GMT (UK) »
I find the Victorian Public Record Office website very hard to navigate, but I think a Thomas (age 24) and Jane SHAW (27) were assisted immigrants on the Northumbria 5 Jan 1853. It appears there was also Henry (6) and Elizabeth (1).

Modified to add - sorry Jo, our replies crossed  ;)

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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 March 18 03:24 GMT (UK) »
Hey guys,

This guy is an ancestor of my auntie’s beau. !!

I’ve done a fair bit of searching via ancestry and can dig it up when I get home.

Thomas, father of Thomas Henry, was married 3 times.
Thomas Henry’s mother was Sarah.
1841 census for the family is wife no 2 Frances Hedges.
1851 census is wife no 3 Mary Roberts.

I’ll look into this more when I’m free this evening.

Salute,
Janelle

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Re: Thomas Shaw 20 FEB 1800 London, Middlesex, England Spouse Sarah Hedger
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 March 18 04:54 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Shaw born circa 1800 in Witham Essex.
1st marriage - St Leonard Shoreditch 10 Apr 1822
Thomas Shaw, bachelor, otp and Sarah Wilson, spinster, otp, married by banns, both signed. Witnesses Thos Nye & Pheby Richel

2nd marriage - St John Hoxton 31 Aug 1833
Thomas Shaw, widower, otp & Frances Hedges, spinster, otp, (very similar signature for Thomas), witnesses JW Richel, Pheby Richel and William Ballard

3rd marriage - 19 Dec 1850
Thomas Shaw, widower, carpenter of Plummer Street, father Thos Shaw, china-man married Mary Smith, 36, widow, father John Roberts, wheelwright.

Baptisms at St John Hoxton 14 Sept 1853
Frederick John Shaw, s/o Thomas & Mary of Plumber Street, carpenter (born 13 Aug 1853)
Emma Shaw, d/o Thomas & Mary of Plumber Street carpenter (born 13 Oct 1851)

Thomas and Emma together at Plumber Street in 1861 & 1871 censuses - Thomas a widower again.

Thomas Shaw (Senior) of Plumber Street, buried 16 Sept 1843, aged 77 at St John Hoxton.

So siblings of Thomas Henry Shaw:
Mary c1830 (as per 1841 census)
Emma in 1851
Frederick John in 1853

Pheby Richel buried in Hackney in 1864, age 74 (possible sister of Thomas).

Jo  :)
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