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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 22 March 18 17:12 GMT (UK) »
No problem :)

I recommend that you bookmark this list, the Northumberland Farms Index. This gives a list of farm names, and is what made me suspect that you were looking at the wrong place.
 http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/file/uploaded/Collections%20-%20Finding%20Aids/Northumberland%20Farm%20Index%201860.pdf
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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 22 March 18 19:36 GMT (UK) »
No problem :)

I recommend that you bookmark this list, the Northumberland Farms Index. This gives a list of farm names, and is what made me suspect that you were looking at the wrong place.
 http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/file/uploaded/Collections%20-%20Finding%20Aids/Northumberland%20Farm%20Index%201860.pdf


That’s really useful too, definitely bookmarked thank you. So many resources I’m not aware of.
Robson (NBL ENGLAND); Armstrong (NBL ENGLAND);Richardson (NBL ENGLAND); Money (NFK & NBL ENGLAND); Gibson (NBL ENGLAND);
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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 22 March 18 23:15 GMT (UK) »
OK, so I am probably missing something really obvious here, but I'm having difficulty using these maps and searching for places

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#

and am finding that I can't seem to enter a search term and then view side to side maps. I have used the very useful list of Northumberland Farms index and identified 'Clews' in Bellingham, but am now not able to locate it on a map. It might be more use to me if someone could either talk me through the process of how I'd find this place so I can repeat in the future for other places, or direct me to easy to follow instructions please!
Robson (NBL ENGLAND); Armstrong (NBL ENGLAND);Richardson (NBL ENGLAND); Money (NFK & NBL ENGLAND); Gibson (NBL ENGLAND);
Swoish/Swash (NFK ENGLAND);Reed (NBL ENGLAND);
Watson (NBL ENGLAND); Church (NFK ENGLAND); Trobe/Trollop (NBL ENGLAND); Lowes (NBL ENGLAND);
Sherwood (NBL ENGLAND); Harrison (NBL ENGLAND)

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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #30 on: Friday 23 March 18 09:15 GMT (UK) »
I think you have slightly mis-understood how to search these maps. You can't put in a term like Clews, which was probably the name of a small farm or hamlet, and expect to pinpoint it. At the most you can put in the name, say, of a small town (like Bellingham), or possibly a village, and then start looking.

Sometimes, when we have found a place on an old map it has taken quite a lot of searching (or squiggling as Boo put it yesterday  :D )

Look at the census returns; find the place you are interested in, look at neighbouring places, then use that information to locate it on a map. (That is how I found 'Craig' in Corsenside yesterday).

Search the name on the internet, and see if there are any hits that give you a clue as to where it might be.

Often there are no shortcuts. You just have to spend time and scan the map.

As to Clews, I had a look on the Northumberland Communities website, https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/ which has a lot of old maps, and found it there.

https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/007464FS.htm
You can see it quite easily, it is just to the north of Bellingham.

Having found it easily on that map I then went to the Old Maps site, and was able to pinpoint it
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/384040/585593/12/101338  (you might have to use the - button and zoom out a bit before you can see it)

There is no magic way of find a lot of these places. You sometimes have to be a bit creative in the searching process!

(I think the spot marked with the arrow here on a present-day map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=383973&Y=585580&A=Y&Z=115 is approximately where Clews was situated)

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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 23 March 18 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Another complication with a search like this is that place-names are often rendered differently.

Thus, 'Clews' appears to be 'Cleugh' on this map https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006826FS.htm

On the 1851 census it's Clews, but in 1841 census it seems to be 'Clues' (HO 107/837/24/16/25)
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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #32 on: Friday 23 March 18 14:46 GMT (UK) »
I think you have slightly mis-understood how to search these maps. You can't put in a term like Clews, which was probably the name of a small farm or hamlet, and expect to pinpoint it. At the most you can put in the name, say, of a small town (like Bellingham), or possibly a village, and then start looking.

Sometimes, when we have found a place on an old map it has taken quite a lot of searching (or squiggling as Boo put it yesterday  :D )

Look at the census returns; find the place you are interested in, look at neighbouring places, then use that information to locate it on a map. (That is how I found 'Craig' in Corsenside yesterday).

Search the name on the internet, and see if there are any hits that give you a clue as to where it might be.

Often there are no shortcuts. You just have to spend time and scan the map.

As to Clews, I had a look on the Northumberland Communities website, https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/ which has a lot of old maps, and found it there.

https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/007464FS.htm
You can see it quite easily, it is just to the north of Bellingham.

Having found it easily on that map I then went to the Old Maps site, and was able to pinpoint it
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/384040/585593/12/101338  (you might have to use the - button and zoom out a bit before you can see it)

There is no magic way of find a lot of these places. You sometimes have to be a bit creative in the searching process!

(I think the spot marked with the arrow here on a present-day map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=383973&Y=585580&A=Y&Z=115 is approximately where Clews was situated)
Thanks Jen, I’d best get squiggling then 🤣
The map site links you’ve sent will be bookmarked also. I think I was just having difficulty with that specific site with the split view and just need to learn how to use it properly.
Robson (NBL ENGLAND); Armstrong (NBL ENGLAND);Richardson (NBL ENGLAND); Money (NFK & NBL ENGLAND); Gibson (NBL ENGLAND);
Swoish/Swash (NFK ENGLAND);Reed (NBL ENGLAND);
Watson (NBL ENGLAND); Church (NFK ENGLAND); Trobe/Trollop (NBL ENGLAND); Lowes (NBL ENGLAND);
Sherwood (NBL ENGLAND); Harrison (NBL ENGLAND)

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Re: LOWES Family of Corsenside and Dueshill - actual houses lived in?
« Reply #33 on: Friday 23 March 18 14:54 GMT (UK) »
You don't need to use the split view one. You can also use this one, then use the tab at the top to go over to the split ('side by side') view.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/index.cfm#zoom=5&lat=53.8597&lon=-3.0000&layers=102&b=1&point=0,0
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 23 March 18 16:56 GMT (UK) »
if someone could either talk me through the process of how I'd find this place so I can repeat in the future for other places,

Here's how you could have found 'Clews' using Boos squiggling method.

Follow the instructions she gave you yesterday about looking at the enumeration description on the Census. I've put up a snip of the relevant page of the 1851, which you will see includes Clews.

Other places mentioned include Demesne, Boggle Hole, Percy Row, Snoggy Gate, Haining Rigg and Clews.

Search Bellingham on the link I gave in my previous posting.

On the next page you should see four thumbnail maps on the r-h side. Click on the topmost one and zoom into Bellingham.

If you look carefully you can see some of the places I mentioned above.

Move a little northwards, up the river and you will see Haining Rigg. Go a bit further north, to the top of the map, and there is Clews.

Simples  ;D
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