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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 March 18 19:33 GMT (UK) »
Did Elsie's 1900 marriage reg refer to her mother as Elspet Jane or just Jane? Did mother show as alive or deceased?

Just from the general index for 1911, is this the family?

David 33
Elsie 31
Maggie 12
George 10
David 8
Catherine 5
Elsie 3
William 0

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 March 18 19:47 GMT (UK) »
Monica,

Yes, that is the correct 1901 census. And I agree Maggie Bell NICOL should be aged 3.
The address on her birth certificate is 3 Farrier Lane, same as the accommodation address father David gave on his marriage certificate.  Am wondering where the BELL name came from; stumped on that one at present but that can definitely wait for another day!!!

The marriage in 1900 for David Wilson Nicol is to the daughter of Elspeth Jane b. 1863 isn't it?
Yes, it is.

www.loadsofpeople.co.uk/ef_12592.html#8

Well, some of this info is slightly wrong.
David Wilson NICOL was b 2 Jun 1877. I have that birth certificate.
Their marriage was 27 Feb 1900. I have that certificate too.

I do not have David's death certificate.

Have you checked Elsie's death to see what it said about her parents?
No, not done that either. Think that might be the next option. But the website details you sent have the same parents as those she named in the marriage certificate. However, I might just see what that says.

I browsed the 1891 and 1901 for FINDLAY a labourer at gas works this afternoon till my eyes were out on sticks, but nothing came up.
Looked for Elspet jnr in 1881 (aged 2)but she's nowhere. She's definitely not with her father-in-law's side;  so that just leaves the Findlay side?????

It's a real mystery
Thanks for all your input so far.

PS: Just seen your latest post. She named her parents on the marriage certificate as John Findlay, labourer at gas works and Elspet Jane Findlay MS Pirie.  However, on Maggie Bell Nicol's birth certificate, the mother signed as Elsie Findlay. Father also signed as David W Nicol - because they were not yet married!

Thank you too for the 1911 index. Where did you get that from?

I wonder if I'll sleep tonight?
Thank you again.

Suzie

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 March 18 20:04 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 census details are from just doing general searches on SP. As always, the original image would be worth checking.

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 March 18 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Did Elsie's mum show as alive or deceased when she married in 1900?

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 March 18 20:17 GMT (UK) »
No, not marked as deceased. Just checked very in file.
Suzie (on iPad so laptop shut down!)

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 March 18 20:23 GMT (UK) »
More to rule them out
John and Jane Findlay nee Pirie are living in the St Nicholas Area of Aberdeen in 1891 with their family including their daughter Elsie Ann  age 12 have you checked this John for his occupation

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 March 18 20:32 GMT (UK) »
As posted by MonicaL, Elspet 'Elsie' Jane Findlay was born 7/12/1879.

Birth on SP shows registered as Elsie Jane Findlay born 7/12/1879, dau. of John Findlay, seaman Merchant Service and Jane Pirie married 1/10/1872 Portsoy, Banffshire (1881 census shows both John and Jane born Portsoy Banffshire.   On 1891 census shown as Elsie, on 1881 Jane!

By 1891 John Findlay is indeed a labourer- went from fisherman, to Merchant seaman to labourer.

Marriage of John and Jane on Ancestry shows John Findlay married Jane Perrie 1/10/1872 Fordyce, Banff but there are 2 entries on SP - same marriage as have same reference number - one showing Pirie, the other Perrie.  Looked at original on SP:

John Findlay 23 Fisherman married Jane Perrie (as written) on 1/10/1872 Fordyce, Banff.   John is shown as son of William Findlay, fisherman and Catherine nee Wood.   Jane is shown as daughter of Alexander Pirie (as written), fisherman and Anne nee Thain.

Mother Jane Pirie was baptised as 'Jean' Pirie in 1847 Fordyce, Banff per familysearch.

So, her mother never actually had the name Elspet Jane Pirie, just Jane (or Jean, interchangeable).

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 22 March 18 20:48 GMT (UK) »
I thought this was John Findlay in 1901:

John Findlay 52 General Labourer b. Cullen
James Findlay 19 General Labourer b. Aberdeen
Mary Findlay 13 b. Aberdeen

Address: 46 Lang Acre, Aberdeen

Not sure where Jane Pirie is, which is why I was checking whether she was possibly deceased.

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Re: Elspet Jane PIRIE
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 22 March 18 21:06 GMT (UK) »
No surprising really, from what has been discussed. Re Elsie's death reg., she was a widow by 1952, daughter Maggie was the informant.




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