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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 24 March 18 09:23 GMT (UK) »
So sad when medals are sold.

MonicaL - looks like I had the wrong William Tennant Bain then. Still everything is worth a try when you have a brick wall.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 24 March 18 10:49 GMT (UK) »
looks like I had the wrong William Tennant Bain then.
Unless he was lying to conceal his illegitimacy?
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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 24 March 18 10:54 GMT (UK) »
That is a very valid point Forfarian and a strong possibility.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 24 March 18 12:51 GMT (UK) »
I thought it likely too that if we have the right William Tennant Bain, from what you found Dorrie, that he could have given his parents' names as if they were married. The William Tennant name may be that of his reputed father.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 24 March 18 13:15 GMT (UK) »
There is a William b. 1911 and Lily b. 1912 Bain showing in Portsmouth, Hampshire on the 1939 Register of Find My Past www.findmypast.co.uk. I do not have access to the detail. This is what is included in this register www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/#4-what-information-can-i-find-in-the-1939-register

A possible for W T Bain following his marriage?

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 24 March 18 13:34 GMT (UK) »
William Tennant Bain , died 11th Aug. 1968 Dover England(Probate record)

William T Bain , death 3rd quarter 1968 Folkestone , age 57.(FreeBMD)


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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 24 March 18 21:02 GMT (UK) »
The entry below Helen in the 1911 census. Is baby William a Bain?

In 1901, there is this entry at 41 Balvenie Street Mortlach:

Peter Bain 54 shoemaker b. Speymouth, Morayshire
Helen Bain 28 daughter, housekeeper b. glenrinnes, Banffshire
Elizabeth Bain 10 grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
Jeanie Bain 7 grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
James Smith 6 Months grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire

Details for this family show on page 5 of this doc www.brebner.com/uploads/bre13379.pdf

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Just as a further possibility and side note to these searches.

We have Helen Bain likely at home in 1901.

In 1911, she is working as a housekeeper to James Smith. We know from this census that she had just given birth some months ago to William Tennant Bain and he shows with his mum Helen in 1911.

A couple of years later, you have the birth you have been researching of John Myron Bain, son to Morris Myron and Helen Bain.

Back to 1901, and the the entry we have as above. Wondering whether Helen is also the mother to baby James Smith. His birth is registered as James Smith Bain in Mortlach 1900. Could he be the natural son of James Smith that Helen shows as living with in 1911?

Probably a stretch too far..but the 1 yr old Barbara Smith in the 1911 household entry was born and registered in 1909 as Barbara Helen...but can't see a further birth entry under Bain! Added: Barbara was illegitimate, but Helen Bain was not the mother.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 24 March 18 21:50 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if this is his wedding notice:


Dover Express Kent, England

12 Mar 1937

LOCAL WEDDING. MR. W. T. BAIN—MISS L. WARD. The wedding took place on Wednesday, March 3rd, at St. James's Church, of Miss Lily Ward, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. A. P. Ward, to Mr. William Tennant Bain, son of Mrs. Bain, and the late Mr. W. T. Bain
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Or rather his Son's wedding as Ellen / Hellen Bain appears to not have married.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 24 March 18 22:58 GMT (UK) »
I had a few spare credits for SP so I checked out the birth of James Smith or Bain who shows in the 1911 census as grandchild to Peter Bain.

The birth entry is as follows  -  James Smith Bain born 4/9/1900 at 41 Balvenie Street, Dufftown, Illegitimate, mother signs herself as Nellie Bain, Domestic Servant.

He is a Bain, Monica.

Dorrie
Small, Dundee
Dickson, Dundee
Patrick, Scotland
Easson, Scotland
Small, Co. Antrim
Madden, Co. Westmeath
Dickson, Co. Down