Brick wall please can anyone help me?

[emjsw]

Hello,
I was just wondering if anyone might be able to help me or perhaps suggest where I could look to find out about my ancestor John's parents please?

What I know :
John Hope born 1803 Drayton, Oxfordshire (according to 1851 census where he is living in Shipton on Cherwell).
He married Sarah Needle in Bletchingdon 11 Dec 1823.
They had 7 children including Eli Hope b 1843 Shipton on Cherwell.

The only Oxfordshire baptism I could find for a John Hope born 1803 was at Islip (10 mins from Shipton on Cherwell and 35 mins from Drayton).

His parents are listed as Jacob and Mary but I can find absolutely nothing about Jacob and Mary, no bmd anywhere for them. I don't know Mary's maiden name. John and his son Eli worked in the Oxford to Birmingham canal and can be found at various lock villages.

Maybe I am looking in all the wrong places for Jacob and Mary or maybe this is not my John's family, perhaps there is another Oxfordshire birth for a John Hope that I can't find.

If anyone can shed more light on this it would be really wonderful.
Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

Best wishes Emma

[emeltom]

The Islip baptism is the only one I can find. There is also a possible death

John Hope Sep 1868 Woodstock 3a 445 aged 65

Emeltom

[Rena]

If the surname "Hope" was a rarity in the vicinity in the timeframe you're looking at, then it's a probability that his ancestors were not from that area or county. 

The people who usually put the money together to build the canals were merchants, industrialists and coal/mineral mine owners who started to thrive and expand at the end of the 1700s.  With this in mind it could be that John's father was born along the route of the canal maybe left his low paid job to work on the canal,  or was in an occupation allied to either the coalfields further north, e.g. Derbyshire, Yorkshire, etc., or agriculture in Herefordshire.

Apparently the word "hope" describes the side of a valley and I see from surfing that the 1068 Domesday book mentions a couple of places (villages) with the name of "Hope", which suggests your ancestors surname is derived from a place name.  .

[Katharine75]

Did you find your ancestor in the 1841 census? Did you look for his possible parents Jacob and Mary in the 1841 and 1851 censes also?
You could also look at other baptism for this couple in Islip. This might help you to build a picture of the whole family - then you can return to the early census records to look for the siblings to glean more information.
Katharine.

[wivenhoe]

Can you please name the seven children you have ldentified born to John HOPE and Sarah.

[Treetotal]

Hi Emma...I can only find them in 1851 census...is this the family:

1851
Shipton On Cherwell

John Hope   48
Sarah Hope   49
Anne Hope   13
Fanny Hope   10
Eli Hope   7
William Hope   4


Info for Sarah b. 1802 - 1889

Only one matching tree on Ancestry with no parents listed for John 

Carol

[emeltom]

1841

HO107/890/12/F4/p2

Shepton, Shipston on Cherwell

John Hope 35
Sarah Hope 35
George Hope 14
Keziah Hope 9
Jane Hope 6
Ann Hope 4
Fanny Hope 1
Mary Needle 65
All born Oxfordshire

Emeltom

[emeltom]

According to the GRO site Fanny was registered Sep 1840 Woodstock Union 16 129 mmn Needle

Marriage

John Hope/Sarah Needle 11 December 1823 Bletchingdon

Emeltom

Sory just noticed you have the marriage

[Treetotal]

Ah...found it with a birth date of 1806...good job Emeltom.
Carol