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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 24 March 18 14:29 GMT (UK) »
First step will be to get the marriage cert and see what that says about his father.

As to going back further - if the marriage cert says his Dad was a Labourer also called David Williams, then it may be challenging.  If it says his dad was a Turkish bath attendant called Montmerency Augustus Flavian Williams (for example!) then you may be able to go back with more ease!

Either way you will have got back one more generation with the name of his father!



(Rosie - you say it so much better! )

 :D :D  I do have  Turkish bath attendant on another line of my family..... 
Williams - Abergavenny/Cardigan
Penfold - Pagham/Hampshire
Mitchell - Sittingbourne
Matthews - Sittingbourne
Everard - Braintree
Lowe - Kidderminster
Giles - Kidderminster
Sadler - London
Miller -Wiltshire
Tucker - North Devon

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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 24 March 18 14:30 GMT (UK) »
That's 'cos I recently found an ancestor who was sadly widowed by the sinking of the Titanic - her husband was a Turkish Bath Attendent on it.  So it had stuck in my mind!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 24 March 18 14:35 GMT (UK) »
I am envious, I don't have a Turkish bath attendant  :'(

Sorry, I can't see any online records for the marriage
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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 March 18 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for looking and all the advice.
Williams - Abergavenny/Cardigan
Penfold - Pagham/Hampshire
Mitchell - Sittingbourne
Matthews - Sittingbourne
Everard - Braintree
Lowe - Kidderminster
Giles - Kidderminster
Sadler - London
Miller -Wiltshire
Tucker - North Devon

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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 24 March 18 15:21 GMT (UK) »
I suspect it may be this one as he gives place of birth as St Mary's and has a brother Benjamin  :-\

1851
HO107 / 2481 f465 p15

David   Williams   59   occ    Victualler And Carter   
Maria   63   
Frances   31   
Anne      22   
Margaret   18   
Benjamin   14   
David   12   
Margaret   Harris - Visitor age 30

Maria bn Pembrokeshire rest born Cardiganshire
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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 00:26 BST (UK) »
First step will be to get the marriage cert and see what that says about his father.

As to going back further - if the marriage cert says his Dad was a Labourer also called David Williams, then it may be challenging.  If it says his dad was a Turkish bath attendant called Montmerency Augustus Flavian Williams (for example!) then you may be able to go back with more ease!


I now have the marriage certificate.

His father was also called David Williams,  🙄 A husbandman.

Eleanorís father was called John Morris. Also a husbandman.

Williams - Abergavenny/Cardigan
Penfold - Pagham/Hampshire
Mitchell - Sittingbourne
Matthews - Sittingbourne
Everard - Braintree
Lowe - Kidderminster
Giles - Kidderminster
Sadler - London
Miller -Wiltshire
Tucker - North Devon

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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 10:26 BST (UK) »
another possible David in Cardigan

1851 Gors, Cardigan HO107/2481 folio 472 pg 8
David Williams head mar 40 labourer b. Carms, Kenarth
Sarah wife 40 b. Card, Llangoedmor
John son 14 b. Cardigan St Mary
David son 12 b. Cardigan St Mary
Margaret dau 7

The Morrises in 1851
Vronhoil, Kilgerran HO107/2481 folio 294 pg 26
John Morris head mar 42 farm labour b. Pembs, Manordeifi
Ann wife 42 b. Carms, Kenarth
Eleanor dau 11 b.Cards, Llandygwyd
Sarah dau 10 b. Llandygwyd
Hannah dau 7 b. Llandygwyd
Benjamin son 5 b. Pembs, Kilgerran
James son 2 b. Kilgerran
Martha Francis visitor 6 b. Kilgerran
mother's maiden name from birth regs for Sarah, Benjamin & James is Rees

Possible marriage in Manordeifi 3 July 1834 for John Morris & Anne Rees, both otp, both mark, witnesses Thomas Thomas & Thomas Evan.

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 11:07 BST (UK) »
Based on their ages on the marriage certificate David Williams was born 1838 and residence at time of marriage in 1859 is Gors.

Eleanor Morris born 1837, canít decipher the residence for her.

Both made a mark.

Witnesses David Lewis and Evan Thomas

Marriage took place at Cilfowyn Baptist Chapel
Williams - Abergavenny/Cardigan
Penfold - Pagham/Hampshire
Mitchell - Sittingbourne
Matthews - Sittingbourne
Everard - Braintree
Lowe - Kidderminster
Giles - Kidderminster
Sadler - London
Miller -Wiltshire
Tucker - North Devon

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Re: James Williams 1868
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 11:41 BST (UK) »
so the David son of David & Sarah looks more likely as their residence is Gors family still there in 1861 RG9/4175 folio 55 pg 8.

I've got Baptist forebears in this area as well. You should find marriages in the established church, the Baptist churches often had their own burial grounds, but you'll not find infant baptisms, only possibly naming rolls or births to members.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb