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Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« on: Tuesday 27 March 18 04:12 BST (UK) »
The 1911 census has Roas [sic - Rose] Ann Flanngan [sic - Flana(i)gan] with three sons, identified as "adopted" ... https://goo.gl/6u2cWP. The eldest son James was born out of wedlock to Rose Ann on 11 November 1899 in Ballywoollen [sic - Ballywillin] (https://goo.gl/MEf4gL).

It should be easy, but I am unable to find the births for her two other sons (John and Robert). According to the census they appear to have been born out of wedlock in County Down.

Can anyone help?

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Re: Births of Robert (c.1903) and John (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 09:06 BST (UK) »
"Adopted" refers to relationship to head of household not to Rose Ann.

Note that on John's birth certificate the informant is a Mary McGrath and this is likely the same person as Mary McGraw head of household in 1911 (McGrath and McGraw are interchangeable in Ulster).
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Re: Births of Robert (c.1903) and John (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 09:12 BST (UK) »
Wonder if this illegitimate son Patrick Joseph in 1912 to a Rose Flanagan is another son?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01505/1611340.pdf

Son James (not John as in your original post) born 1899- Mary McGrath informant-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02012/1772668.pdf

Think you've also muddled up the title- Births of Robert (c.1903) and John (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
According to 1911 census- Robert born c1906 and John born c1903
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Re: Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 12:27 BST (UK) »
"Adopted" refers to relationship to head of household not to Rose Ann.

That is correct (I am not aware  I said otherwise).

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Note that on John's birth certificate the informant is a Mary McGrath and this is likely the same person as Mary McGraw head of household in 1911 (McGrath and McGraw are interchangeable in Ulster).

Yes .... and that is the first I see that Mary knows Rose Ann. This evidently led to the "adoption" showing on the the 1911 census (Note that the birth certificate says "James" ... not "John")

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Re: Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 12:36 BST (UK) »
Wonder if this illegitimate son Patrick Joseph in 1912 to a Rose Flanagan is another son?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01505/1611340.pdf

Excellent .... missed that one!

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Son James (not John as in your original post) born 1899- Mary McGrath informant-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02012/1772668.pdf

We both made that slip-up ... corrected.

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Think you've also muddled up the title- Births of Robert (c.1903) and John (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
According to 1911 census- Robert born c1906 and John born c1903

Thank you .... title corrected (spent too much time trying to track them down).

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Re: Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 12:45 BST (UK) »
"Adopted" refers to relationship to head of household not to Rose Ann.

That is correct (I am not aware  I said otherwise).

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Note that on John's birth certificate the informant is a Mary McGrath and this is likely the same person as Mary McGraw head of household in 1911 (McGrath and McGraw are interchangeable in Ulster).

Yes .... and that is the first I see that Mary knows Rose Ann. This evidently led to the "adoption" showing on the the 1911 census (Note that the birth certificate says "James" ... not "John")

Rose Ann is a boarder in 1901 with baby James
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Crossgar/Ballywillan/1230014/

But daughter on John’s McGraw’s death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05407/4510534.pdf

If that is the correct death and informant  :)
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Re: Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 12:54 BST (UK) »
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Rose Ann is a boarder in 1901 with baby James
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Crossgar/Ballywillan/1230014/

But daughter on John’s McGraw’s death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05407/4510534.pdf

If that is the correct death and informant  :)

You have the correct death and informant. Seems the progression was "acquaintance" (1899 birth of first son; 1901 census) and then "adopted daughter" (1911 census; John' death certificate).

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Re: Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 13:04 BST (UK) »
 Not ‘step daughter’ but ‘adopted daughter’.
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Re: Births of John (c.1903) and Robert (c.1906) Flanngan/Flanigan/Flanagan
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 13:07 BST (UK) »
Not ‘step daughter’ but ‘adopted daughter’.

I stand corrected  :)