Help with finding Thomas HAINES (1820), John HAINES (1820) William HAINES

[Chev]

Hey solidrock,

I've started working back on Mont's siblings.

Mont's sister Henrietta GRIFFITHS married Thomas Henry Phillip HAYNES (these are my gg grandparents).

Their marriage record shows her father as Thomas Edward Griffiths. (need to follow original up next week)

That may be me for a few days, need to play with the living for a little while 

[BumbleB]

The image for the marriage is available via FindMyPast:

Thomas Edward Griffiths is an Engine Fitter.  Thomas Henry Phillip is a Spring Maker and his father, Thomas, is a Labourer.

[solidrock]

"There is a Thomas Griffiths who was baptised on 18/03/1832 at St Leonard's, Bilston, Stafford, England. Father: William Griffiths. Mother: Maria Griffiths)"

Maybe but why was he not baptised Thomas Edward?

[solidrock]

GRIFFITHS, GEORGINA  EMILY      WYCHURCH        
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 02A  Page 383

Married Conrad Theobald...

Name    Conrad Theobald
Event Type    Marriage
Registration Quarter    Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year    1886
Registration District    Manchester
County    Lancashire
Event Place    Manchester, Lancashire, England
Volume    8D
Page    257
Line Number    321
 
Conrad Theobald probably married one of the following people
Name    Georgina Emily Griffiths

1901 census...

Name    Conred Theobold
Event Type    Census
Event Date    31 Mar 1901
Event Place    Manchester, Lancashire, England
County    Lancashire
Civil Parish    Manchester
Ecclesiastical Parish    Manchester St Michael
Sub-District    St George
Registration District    Manchester
Residence Note    Old Mount Street
Gender    Male
Age    38
Occupation    SLIPPER MAKER
Relationship to Head of Household    Head
Birth Year (Estimated)    1863
Birthplace    Manchester, Lancashire
Schedule Type    112
Page Number    16
Household
Conred Theobold    Head    M    38    Manchester, Lancashire
Georgina Theobold    Wife    F    34    Cheetham Manchester, Lancashire
Esther E Theobold    Daughter    F    13    Manchester, Lancashire

1911 census...

Name    Conran Theobold
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1911
Event Place    North Manchester, Strangeways Manchester, Lancashire, England
County    Lancashire
Parish    North Manchester
Sub-District    Cheetham
Registration District    Prestwich
Gender    Male
Age    47
Marital Status (Original)    WIDOWER
Occupation    SLIPPER MAKER
Birth Year (Estimated)    1864
Birthplace    Manchester, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household    Head
Line    1
Page    1
Household
Conran Theobold    Head    M    47    Manchester, Lancashire
Emma Holt    Boarder    F    48    Todmorden, Lancashire

THEOBALD, GEORGINA        38      
GRO Reference: 1905  D Quarter in PRESTWICH  Volume 08D  Page 232



   

   

   

   


   

   

   

   

[solidrock]

Hi chev,  I think I'm cracking up but here's a very wild theory.
Thomas Edward Griffiths marries Elizabeth Williams 1859 in Whitchurch.  There are plenty of Elizabeth Williams born 1837 in the Bristol area. Perhaps she changed her name because she was hiding some thing and Whitchurch was the first to come to mind, she keeps the same intial E. 

[solidrock]

I've seen that one but rejected it as she is consistant with her birth on census's as 1837. Perhaps she and Thomas were never married.

Second thoughts maybe she read 1832 as 1837.

    Samuel Whitechurch
Residence Place    Bristol, Gloucester, England
Gender    Male
Christening Date    03 Apr 1804
Christening Date (Original)    3 Apr 1804
Christening Place    Bitton, Gloucester, England
Father's Name    John Whitechurch
Mother's Name    Mary

Samuel Whitchurch
Spouse's Name    Hannah Sampson
Event Date    19 Apr 1829
Event Place    Kingswood Near Bristol, Gloucester, England

    Hanah Maria Sampson
Gender    Female
Christening Date    02 Nov 1803
Christening Date (Original)    02 NOV 1803
Christening Place    CHELTENHAM,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name    Thos Sampson
Mother's Name    Mary

Samuel was living with his son in Staffordshire in 1871 which brings them nearer to Birmingham.

    Samuel Whitchurch
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1871
Event Place    Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Enumeration District    3
Gender    Male
Age    71
Marital Status    Widowed
Relationship to Head of Household    Father
Birth Year (Estimated)    1800
Birthplace    Kingswood, Worcestershire
Entry Number    9
Affiliate Image Identifier    GBC/1871/3010/0173
Household
John Whitchurch    Head    M    41    Bristol
Harriet Whitchurch    Wife    F    35    Rowley, Staffordshire
Hannah Whitchurch    Daughter    F    16    Dudley, Worcestershire
Mary A Whitchurch    Daughter    F    14    Dudley, Worcestershire
Esther Whitchurch    Daughter    F    6    Dudley, Worcestershire
Harriet Whitchurch    Daughter    F    0    Dudley, Worcestershire
Samuel Whitchurch    Father    M    71    Kingswood, Worcestershire
   

   


   

[solidrock]

Not sure if you already have this info...

GRIFFITHS, ALBERT  JOHN      WHITCHURCH      
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 249



Albert John Griffiths  Mar qtr 1881 Birmingham RD Ref 6d p 44
possible partner Alice Barnett
 
1881 census RG11/ 3005/32 p 16
Winson St

Thomas E Griffith    Head    35    Brilston, Staffordshire, England
Esther Griffith    Wife    34    Bristol, Somerset, England
Alfred G Griffith    Son    14    Derby, Derbyshire, England
Georgeina Griffith    Daughter    11    Chatham, Kent, England
Thomas Griffith    Son    6    Bristol, Somerset, England
Shant Griffith    Son    1    Bham, Warwickshire, England
Albert Griffith    Son In Law        40 puddler iron   Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Alice Griffith    Daughter In Law    46    Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England

Why is Albert Son in Law. 

GRIFFITHS, ALFRED        WHITCHURCH      
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in DERBY 445  Volume 07B  Page 345

Marriages Sep 1890   
Griffiths    Alfred        King's N.    6c   730
Kingsnorth    Amplias    King's N.    6c   730


1901 census
Smethwick (Staffordshire), Worcestershire
High Park Road High Park Terrace

Alfred Griffiths    Head    M    40    Derby, Derbyshire
Amplias Griffiths    Wife    F    47    Quinton, Worcestershire
Arthur Griffiths    Son    M    7    Smethwick, Staffordshire
Edward G Kingswell    Step Son    M    18    Smethwick, Staffordshire

1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7B6-YCV


GRIFFITHS, TOM        WHITCHURCH      
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in BRISTOL  Volume 06A  Page 3

Can't find Tom after 1881 which you already have.

[Chev]

Hello there solidrock, you've been busy. I'll have a read through and see what fits. Many thanks

[Chev]

 Hello BumbleB,

Thank you for the information a few posts back about the marriage between Henrietta GRIFFITHS and Thomas Henry Philip Haynes. I will chase up an original for my records. Many thanks