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New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« on: Wednesday 28 March 18 13:53 BST (UK) »
Found a burial in New Bunhill Fields, 1851. Google says it's an abandoned burial ground in Southwark that Ark Globe Academy is now on top of, and there were excavations done to retrieve remains a few years ago. However Ancestry.co.uk insists that New Bunhill Fields is in Islington borough. How do I know the record I found is for Islington or Southwark? Is Ancestry in error, or am I dealing with two places with the same name?
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 13:56 BST (UK) »
The National Archives says it was in Islington, so I would go with that!

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/be05f1a8-00c1-4327-b175-01ac3509a061

Looks plausible.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 13:58 BST (UK) »
Wikipedia also says Islington! ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunhill_Fields


BUT . . . .

New Bunhill Fields was in Southwark! ;D
http://hidden-london.com/gazetteer/bunhill/
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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 14:00 BST (UK) »
On the other hand - hmmm (from a Google about the school construction):

(Statutory notice published in the Southwark News, Jan 2007)

Disused Burial Grounds (Amendment) Act 1981

Notice of intention to remove human remains from the former New Bunhill Fields Burial Ground, Deverell Street, New Kent Road, SE1 (also known as Hoole & Martin's Burial Ground).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 14:06 BST (UK) »
I edited my previous reply :-\

NEW Bunhill Fields was in Southwark.
(OLD?) Bunhill Fields was in Islington.

In response to the congestion (in Bunhill Fields) a Nonconformist burial ground called New Bunhill Fields was opened in Southwark, at a site now occupied by the Globe Academy.
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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 14:16 BST (UK) »
Yes but what about the defunct Upper Street one which is referred to in the National Archives link?  It was in Islington, but not the same bit of Islington as Bunhill Fields proper (which is very much still there).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 14:18 BST (UK) »
The answer may well be that more than one nonconformist burial ground liked to sell itself as the "new" Bunhill Fields (or was colloquially referred to as such).

Does the 1851 burial state the deceased's residence? That may help identify which one is likely to be relevant.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 14:24 BST (UK) »
The answer may well be that more than one nonconformist burial ground liked to sell itself as the "new" Bunhill Fields (or was colloquially referred to as such).

Does the 1851 burial state the deceased's residence? That may help identify which one is likely to be relevant.

Queen's Row, Pentonville.
Ancestral names: Lewis, Watson, Hetherington, Barclay, Clark, Regan, Hunter, Murray, Robson, Todd, Carney, Comerford, Urwin, Rayson, White, Purves, Biggins, Wilson, Gibson, Graham, Curry, Kennedy, Greenlaw, Waldie, Armstrong, Hodgson, Harle, Wild, Monkhouse, Donald, Allen, Bowie, Cowe, Ogilvie, Barnes, Pattinson, Williamson, Hogg, Denholm, Kirkwood and Hewitt

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Re: New Bunhill Fields - Where is it?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 March 18 14:27 BST (UK) »
Ah - well it'll be the Upper Street, Islington one then - very close by.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)