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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #18 on: Friday 20 April 18 07:22 BST (UK) »
I spent several hours at our local library today looking for more information for this family and came away empty handed. No ideas why they would be listed as step children with seemingly same parents!.Could find no trace of Ethel Grace in the 1891 census . As she married in USA in 1892 I think she make have left before census taken.
Any further hints at all please?
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #19 on: Friday 20 April 18 09:15 BST (UK) »
Surely the most likely explanation is that there were 2 Williams who had children with Emily - William Warren being the second one, so that her older (Self) children were his stepchildren and Nora was his daughter.

If there isn’t a marriage for them it may be that William Self was still alive out there somewhere.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #20 on: Friday 20 April 18 09:22 BST (UK) »
1871 census: RG10/1639/64/3

Green Farm, Chingford

William Self Head Mar 27 Farmer Surrey Peckham
Emily C Self Wife Mar 21 Essex Chingford

Plus 2 servants.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #21 on: Friday 20 April 18 09:25 BST (UK) »
By 1881 William Self, 36 b Peckham Rye, is a warehouse storekeeper, “married”, lodging in Buckhurst Hill, Essex. 

RG11/1736/75/50.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #22 on: Friday 20 April 18 09:51 BST (UK) »
Morning!

1871 Lewis is with John(34) & Marie(33)bDevon
elder bro Wm A(4)b IRELAND
younger sis Marie L(8m)
RG10 299 17 p27

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #23 on: Friday 20 April 18 09:55 BST (UK) »
1881 RG11 108 61 p17

Lewis(13) bmiddlesex, maybe in the "House Brigade" (?)

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 21 April 18 06:58 BST (UK) »
Hmm, thanks for this info, I've been trying to find a possible death /divorce for William and Emily nee Self - but no luck, cannot find a marriage for her either to the next William WARREN. Cannot find them on a census in 1891? Any further help out there please?
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 21 April 18 07:28 BST (UK) »
William Self is in Walthamstow in 1901 (57 b Peckham) having acquired a new “wife” Sarah, 61 b Bow.

RG13/1629/148/28.

Possible marriage: William Self & Sarah Byford, Sep qtr 1896 West Ham.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage of Lewis Bradford GILES and Grace
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 21 April 18 07:33 BST (UK) »
1891 for William Self (47 b Peckham Rye) in Harwich as brother-in-law of Frederick Dunsford.

RG12/1402/142/13.

So he was still in touch with Emily’s family, even though she had long since moved on to another man!
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)