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Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« on: Sunday 01 April 18 22:14 BST (UK) »
Hi all

I'm trying to find census information on my GtGt Grandmother's family:

Mary Jane Thomas was born 11 Aug 1855, daughter of Thomas Maurice Thomas and his wife Elizabeth Williams.  Mary Jane Thomas married George Edward Williams 14 Aug 1877: I have their marriage certificate which has Thomas Maurice Thomas as Mary Jane's father, origin Merthyr Tydfil.  I have been unable to find Thomas Maurice Thomas at all on census returns, apart from the 1851:


Merthyr Tydfil
HO107
2458/304/23

Thomas M Thomas, Head, Married, Male, 22 1829, Warehouseman, Langham, Carmarthenshire
Elizabeth, Wife, 21 1830, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
William Williams, Lodger

Can anyone help? Many thanks

David


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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 April 18 22:28 BST (UK) »
I should add:

Thomas Maurice Thomas married Elizabeth Williams25 Dec 1848
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 April 18 01:59 BST (UK) »
I note that Mary Jane married in Staffordshire in 1877.

If you're unable to find Thomas Maurice Thomas at all on census returns, apart from the 1851, then I guess that means you don't have Mary Jane on 1861 or 1871 prior to her marriage either?

Here is the family in
CENSUS 1871: - At Burton Street, Rianna Cottages, St Mary Shrewsbury, Shropshire
RG10/ Piece -2770 - Folio 63 - Pg 25
Head: Thos. M THOMAS 43, Ry Carrier Agent, b Langhams, Carm ?
Wife: Eliza  THOMAS 42, b Merthyr Tydfil, Glam ?
Dau: Mary Jane THOMAS 15, b Merthyr Tydfil, Glam ?
Dau: Han'h E THOMAS 7, b Rhymney, Monmouth
Son: Geo'e Hy THOMAS 5, b Bermondsey, Surrey
Son: WR THOMAS 5, b Bermondsey, Surrey

(note: the ? are the enumerators')

BIRTH 1863  - the 2nd daughter
Hannah Emiah THOMAS
Registered Bedwelty, Sep Qtr 1863,  Vol 11a, pg97 - mms WILLIAMS

BIRTH - The Twins 1865
George Henry THOMAS and William Robert THOMAS
Registered Bermondsey, Dec Qtr 1865, Vol 1d, pg 112 - mms WILLIAMS

Cheers
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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 April 18 02:22 BST (UK) »
Before I go trundling off down the trail of a road already travelled...... :)

Are you already aware that Thomas Maurice THOMAS  went to Australia in 1883? Died there 1903, Cooktown QLD . Apparently Immigrated with a second wife Mary THOMAS married 1878,  as wife Elizabeth had died?  Presumably with all his minor children at the time - Hannah Emiah being one of them.

There is quite a tree on A. - appears well researched, though I haven't looked in depth; I note it has the twins' birthplace as Llangefelach, Glamorgan, Wales.

Still haven't yet found TMT in 1861 though - or 1881.

Cheers
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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 April 18 05:58 BST (UK) »
This is all new so thank you very much / this is fabulous


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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 April 18 11:21 BST (UK) »
the birthplace in Carmarthenshire is Laugharne. There is a possible baptism 25 November 1827 for Thomas Morris Thomas son of Edmund, a sailor, and Elizabeth. Edmund Thomas of Laugharne married Elizabeth Dickers/Dickens 9 Aug 1927 in St Clears with consent of relations.

Siblings baptised in Laugharne
Elizabeth 1831
Emma born 1833
Sarah 1835
Mary Anne 1836
John 1839 - reg march qtr 1839 mmn Dicker
Jane 1841 - reg dec qtr 1841 mmn Ticker
Esther 1846 - reg june qtr 1846 mmn Dicker

1881 census Thomas is with brother-in-law's family in Bermondsey Alfred Chivers married Mary Ann Thomas dec qtr 1863.

By the way, the note of Merthyr Tydfil on the marriage cert is where the person marrying was living at the time. It isn't where they of their father came from.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 April 18 11:37 BST (UK) »
1851 census Lake Cottage, Laugharne HO107/2472 folio 428 pg 7
Edmund Thomas had mar 55 seaman b. Llangunnock parish
Elizabeth wife 43 b. Devon, Lympton
Emah dau 18
Mary Ann dau 14
John son 12
Jane dau 10
Hester dau 5
children all born Laugharne

name for father of Thomas on 1848 marriage looks more like Edward but he was a sailor.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 April 18 12:14 BST (UK) »
likely baptism for Elizabeth Dickers 31 Aug 1807 daughter of Abraham & Betty in Lympstone, Devon. On later family baptisms, Abraham is noted as carpenter.

Abraham Dicker married Elizabeth Dowdney of Lympstone 2 July 1803 at Exeter St George.
Abraham buried aged 60 15 march 1836 in Lympstone, address Exeter
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Maurice Thomas and family
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 October 18 21:27 BST (UK) »
These may be of use: Following on from Osprey
Baptism Laugharne St Martinís Church 25th November 1827
Surname: Thomas; Christian Names: Thomas Morris; Father: Edmund; Mother: Elizabeth; Baptism: 25.11.1827; Residence: Laugharne; Occupation: Sailor.

Thomas.Elizabeth.Edmund .Elizabeth.27.3.1831.Market St.Mariner
Thomas.Emma.Edmund.Elizabeth.11.1.1835.Clifton St.Mariner
Thomas.Esther.Edmund.Elizabeth.26.4.1846.Clifton St.Sailor
Thomas.Sarah.Edmund.Elizabeth.11.1.1835.Clifton St.Mariner
Thomas.Mary Anne.Edmund.Elizabeth.14.8.1836.Clifton St.sailor
Thomas.John.Edmund.Elizabeth.24.2.1839.Clifton St.Sailor
Thomas.Jane.Edmund.Elizabeth.19.12.1841.Clifton St.Sailor
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Over, Winsford, Cheshire