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Allen family widnes
« on: Monday 02 April 18 16:02 BST (UK) »
Hi I am trying to help a friend with her family tree but I am having trouble with the following
I have
1911 1901 and 1881
1911
1 old post office place Widnes
George thomas Allen  b abt 1870
Alice wife b abt 1870
Margaret mother b abt 1850
All state born Widnes
1901
58 Nelson st Widnes

Alice is sown as b Warrington
1881
Margaret is a widow living at 13 Lacey st Widnes with
George T 12
Elizabeth 10

I canít see George T Alice who was Alice Banner before her marriage or Margaret in 1891 1871 1851

Can anyone help me help a friend
Thanks
Carolyn
Hill,Griffiths,Davison,Hewitt,Foulkes, Flintshire
Hill, Assal,Thomas Cheshire/Flintshire
Brennan Queens county (Laois)
Hynnes Galway
Flood  Wicklow/Lancashire     Geogehan/Gahan Wicklow to Lancashire
Currie Monaghan/Scotland
Behan Kings and Kildare
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Hunt Wexford
Hoey Louth
Kean Ireland
Flannagan Kings County Offley
Leather Lancashire
Woodward Lancashire
Thomas Lancashire
Garnett lancashire
Haselden Lancashire
Singleton Lancashire

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 April 18 16:44 BST (UK) »
Possible 1891 for Margaret -

John Allen   47
Margaret Allen   40 b. Ditton, Lancashire
Mary A Allen   19
John W Allen   1
David J Allen   4/12
John Sparks   64

RG12 Piece 3011 Folio 74 Page 13, Widnes, Lancashire

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 April 18 16:46 BST (UK) »
1871 with George -

John Allen   26
Margaret Allen   18
George Allen   2
Elizabeth Allen   5 Months
RG10 Piece 3857 Folio 61 Page 35

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 April 18 16:56 BST (UK) »
Possible 1851 for Margaret (George T Allen's mother's maiden name was Beesley) -

Thomas Beesley   30
Sarah Beesley   35
John Beesley   2
Margaret Beesley   4 Mo
Martha Shaw   26

HO107 Piece 2194 Folio 471 Page 22

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 April 18 17:12 BST (UK) »
I think this might be the Banner family in 1871 mistranscribed and living in Haydock in the Warrington Reg District - Everyone except the father listed as born Haydock

Henry Bannan 40   Collier b Newark Notts
Ellen Bannan 37
Catherine Bannan 16
William Bannan 15
Henry Bannan 13
Ellen Bannan 11
James Bannan 8
Mary Anne Bannan 4
Alice Bannan 2


Most likely birth for Alice -

ALICE   BANNER Mothers Maiden Name  DEARDEN      
GRO Ref 1869  March Qrtr  WARRINGTON  Vol 08C  Page 145 

And there is a marrage online on Anc of an Henry Banner to Ellen Dearden on 18 May 1853 - Ashton, in Makerfield, Lancashire   Henry is a Collier age 23 - Father Thomas Banner - Shoemaker and Ellen age 20 - Father James Dearden - Collier   (Both Henry and Ellen made their mark)

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Added - The family seem to mostly be transcribed as Bannan and I think sadly this Alice may have married as Alice Bannan to George Thomas Allen in 1895  :-\

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 April 18 17:19 BST (UK) »
Hi I am looking at all the very prompt replies all look good but not sure on the 1891 details as Margaret was a widow at 29 on the 1881 census with two children George T age 12 and Elizabeth age 10
Carolyn
Hill,Griffiths,Davison,Hewitt,Foulkes, Flintshire
Hill, Assal,Thomas Cheshire/Flintshire
Brennan Queens county (Laois)
Hynnes Galway
Flood  Wicklow/Lancashire     Geogehan/Gahan Wicklow to Lancashire
Currie Monaghan/Scotland
Behan Kings and Kildare
Purcell Wexford
Hunt Wexford
Hoey Louth
Kean Ireland
Flannagan Kings County Offley
Leather Lancashire
Woodward Lancashire
Thomas Lancashire
Garnett lancashire
Haselden Lancashire
Singleton Lancashire

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 April 18 19:28 BST (UK) »
Hi I am looking at all the very prompt replies all look good but not sure on the 1891 details as Margaret was a widow at 29 on the 1881 census with two children George T age 12 and Elizabeth age 10
Carolyn

Hi Carolyn,

If you look at the 1881 for the Allen family you will see there is another child - Mary A Allen b. 1872, Widnes. This ties in with the 1891 posted where Margaret has a daughter Mary A Allen b.1872, Widnes.

Margaret Allen   29
George T. Allen   12
Elizabeth Allen   10
Mary A. Allen   9
RG11 Piece 3725 Folio 54 Page 44

I can see on the 1891 that Margaret has a husband John Allen but it could be a case that he is living with Margaret but not actually her husband despite taking her name. It's a possibility  :)

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 April 18 23:37 BST (UK) »
Hi I am looking at the 1891 census showing John with Margaret they did marry in 1869 is there an address for them in 1891 there may be a simple explanation as to why she is a widow in 1881 but he is back with her in 1891
An address may confirm it is the right couple. This is for a friend so I want to be able to confirm what I tell her if I can
Hill,Griffiths,Davison,Hewitt,Foulkes, Flintshire
Hill, Assal,Thomas Cheshire/Flintshire
Brennan Queens county (Laois)
Hynnes Galway
Flood  Wicklow/Lancashire     Geogehan/Gahan Wicklow to Lancashire
Currie Monaghan/Scotland
Behan Kings and Kildare
Purcell Wexford
Hunt Wexford
Hoey Louth
Kean Ireland
Flannagan Kings County Offley
Leather Lancashire
Woodward Lancashire
Thomas Lancashire
Garnett lancashire
Haselden Lancashire
Singleton Lancashire

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Re: Allen family widnes
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 April 18 19:09 BST (UK) »
this record tells us that in 1869 to 1871 they were living in Ditton

Baptism: 29 Aug 1869 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
 George Thomas Allen - Son of John Allen & Margaret
     Abode: Ditton
     Occupation: Labourer
     Baptised by: William Jeff Minister
     Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1879, Page 102, Entry 809
     Source: LDS Film 1655234

Baptism: 12 Feb 1871 St Michael, Hough Green, Ditton, Lancashire, England
 Elizabeth Allen - Daughter of John Allen & Margaret
     Abode: Ditton
     Occupation: Labourer
     Baptised by: Usher B. Miles, Curate in Charge
     Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1899, Page 3, Entry 23
     Source: LDS Film 1655857
 
no record of Mary A baptism though ??

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