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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 April 18 23:09 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Did Thomas & Sarah Grieves both die in 1854?

From GRO Index:

Grieves, Sarah; Age 41; Sept Qtr 1854; Tynemouth Reg Dist; Volume 10B Page 107


From FreeBMD & Familysearch:

Grieves, Thomas; Sept Qtr 1854; Tynemouth Reg Dist; Volume 10B Page 107

Familysearch shows line 25 for Sarah & line 26 for Thomas.

There is another Thomas Grieves death in 1861 also on FreeBMD & Familysearch:

Grieves, Thomas; March Qtr 1861; Tynemouth Reg Dist; Volume 10B Page 147

Neither of these Thomas Grieves deaths appear on the GRO Index, so I have been unable to determine ages for the two deaths.


Ellen/Eleanor having lost both parents, might explain her appearance in the workhouse? Did any of Thomas & Sarah's other children end up in the workhouse?

Hope this helps.

Kind regards

David

Hi David

I had not found the Deaths for Thomas and Sarah Grieves but after the 1851 census they disappear. It would be around the right age group for Sarah as the census roughly has her date of birth around 1811.

I think Elizabeth on the 1861 census under the name Betsy Grieeves is lodging at Earsdon with Michael and Eleanor Dolan. She marries Edward Rose in April 1862 in Tynemouth.

In 1861 I think Ellen Grieves is a visitor in Felling at the home of Thomas Straughn and family

George Grieves in 1854 aged 13 is an apprentice in the Merchant Navy

The rest of the family I cant trace but they would be really young if Thomas and Sarah died in 1854

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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 00:17 BST (UK) »
From FreeBMD & Familysearch:

Grieves, Thomas; Sept Qtr 1854; Tynemouth Reg Dist; Volume 10B Page 107

Familysearch shows line 25 for Sarah & line 26 for Thomas.

There is another Thomas Grieves death in 1861 also on FreeBMD & Familysearch:

Grieves, Thomas; March Qtr 1861; Tynemouth Reg Dist; Volume 10B Page 147

Neither of these Thomas Grieves deaths appear on the GRO Index, so I have been unable to determine ages for the two deaths.


I think these are the two references:

GRIEVER, THOMAS  aged 51  GRO Ref: 1854  S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 107
GRIMES, THOMAS  aged 0  GRO Ref: 1861  M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 147
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 00:26 BST (UK) »
This may be the death notice for Thomas:

Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury 26 Aug 1854
At Cowpen Quay, of English Cholera, on the 20th inst. Mr Thomas Grieves, Coal-Trimmer

ADDED:  And Sarah:

Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury 02 Sep 1854
At Cowpen Quay, on the 24th ult., aged 46, Sarah, widow of Mr Thomas Grieves, Coal-Trimmer
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 00:31 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Is this the family in 1851? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGX4-HPB

I ask as Thomas gives his place of birth as Trenelale, Westmoreland rather than Foxdale as stated in your original post.

Thomas shown as a Trimmer by occupation on the linked 1851 census, which would therefore mean that the newspaper death notice found by Jomot above is a match & is your Thomas.

hope this helps

Kind regards

David
Aitcheson, Aldred, Batty, Bauer, Bone, Brewer, Dean, Doyle, Durant, Fife, Finney, Gibson, Graham/Grayham, Hall, Harrison, Hersey, Hill, Holliss, Hudson, Hussey, Insley, Kelsey, King, Laver, Longmore, Luke, Mellor, Newman, North, Parker, Phillips, Porter, Read, Robinson, Rowel, Spink, Sproxton, Steer, Stevenson, Tanner, Witty/Whitty, Warburton, Wood.
(For more information on the above surnames please check the Surname Interest Table below.)


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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 00:57 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Hmmm, I have looked at the 1861, 71 & 81 censuses for the four youngest children (William, Charles, Mary Ann & James) & found nothing. They just seem to have vanished! No deaths either. I wonder what became of them?

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David
Aitcheson, Aldred, Batty, Bauer, Bone, Brewer, Dean, Doyle, Durant, Fife, Finney, Gibson, Graham/Grayham, Hall, Harrison, Hersey, Hill, Holliss, Hudson, Hussey, Insley, Kelsey, King, Laver, Longmore, Luke, Mellor, Newman, North, Parker, Phillips, Porter, Read, Robinson, Rowel, Spink, Sproxton, Steer, Stevenson, Tanner, Witty/Whitty, Warburton, Wood.
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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 03:34 BST (UK) »
I've found possible sightings of a couple of them:

1861 Tynemouth Union Workhouse - RG9/3843/84/1
Jas Greaves 12 Inmate born Blyth, Northumberland
Ann Greaves 15 born Blyth - possibly Mary Ann?

Merchant Navy Apprenticeship Indenture 15 Aug 1864 for James Grieves aged 15. Bound for 5 years to Geo Jobling of Shields to serve aboard the ship Susannah of Newcastle, No. 3797. Enrolled at North Shields

Possible death for Mary Ann:
GRIEVES, MARY ANN  aged 18  GRO Ref: 1866  J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 111
Buried 10 May 1866 but father named as William  :-\

ADDED
Also a Merchant Navy Apprenticeship Indenture 18 Oct 1856 for William Greaves aged 14 Bound for 4 years to John Appleby, Blyth to serve aboard the John Baker of Shields (?) No 18638.  Enrolled at Blyth.

There is a second one for William dated 20 Jul 1860 aged 18 indentured for 3 years to P Dale of Blyth to serve aboard the Tynemouth 27168. Enrolled at North Shields.

ALSO ADDED
Indenture 31 Jul 1857 for Chas Greaves aged 11 Bound for 7 years to R Crawford of Blyth  to serve aboard the Vesper, 2447.  Enrolled at Blyth
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 10:16 BST (UK) »
This may be the death notice for Thomas:

Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury 26 Aug 1854
At Cowpen Quay, of English Cholera, on the 20th inst. Mr Thomas Grieves, Coal-Trimmer

ADDED:  And Sarah:

Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury 02 Sep 1854
At Cowpen Quay, on the 24th ult., aged 46, Sarah, widow of Mr Thomas Grieves, Coal-Trimmer

Wow what an excellent find Jomot. Bless them, they wern`t very old either and dieng a week apart from each other. It`s sad

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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 April 18 10:46 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Is this the family in 1851? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGX4-HPB

I ask as Thomas gives his place of birth as Trenelale, Westmoreland rather than Foxdale as stated in your original post.

Thomas shown as a Trimmer by occupation on the linked 1851 census, which would therefore mean that the newspaper death notice found by Jomot above is a match & is your Thomas.

hope this helps

Kind regards

David

Hi David, many thanks for that as I had`nt noticed the census on family search. The one I was going off was on ancestry and they have it transcribed as Foxdale, Westmoreland. The actual census is not very clear to make it out.

From the information you and Jomot have found it seems that the 4 boys George, William, Charles and James were all enrolled in the Merchant Navy. Brilliant work 

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Re: Grieves family from Blyth
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 02 August 18 14:51 BST (UK) »
Hi, John Appleby was my 3xgreat-grandfather. I have been tracing information about the John Baker and have found that in January 1857, the John Baker was wrecked in a storm off the coast of Hartlepool. By 1857, John had retired and his son, Henry Appleby, was the ship's master. I have copied some newspaper articles from the 8th-10th January 1857:

8th: "Great fears are entertained for the safety of the brig John Baker, of Blyth (light vessel), as various articles belonging to her have come ashore near Stockton on-Tees."

9th: "Jan. 9th.- "John Baker," Henry Appleby, and "Honour," Benjamin Arkle, of Blyth, lost with all hands near Hartlepool."

10th: "The Late Disastrous Storm - Further particulars have reached us since our 6th page, in which accounts from correspondents in various parts of the country, as well as our own locality, appear, went to press. From Shields we learn that the Whitby, of South Shields, has come on shore on the Yorkshire coast, without a soul on board, and it is supposed all hands have perished. The vessels on the Herd Sand here are very much broken up by the violence of the sea, and will not be worth much. The old East India-man, Pekin, has gone to fragments; and what has been floating about, those persons who prowl along the coast in seasons such as the present, "waiting on Providence," have helped themselves liberally. There have been none of those disgraceful scenes of wrecking, however, characteristic of former years. The heroism of the Shields pilots in the storm is spoken of with admiration by every person. The losses sustained by the Tyne clubs from the gale will be serious, as a considerable number of Shields colliers are ashore along the coast, and the loss of life is very lamentable. There is no doubt that four vessels have perished with all hands between the Tyne and the Coquet, on Sunday; two of them, the Alma and the Reform, off Cullercoats, The Duke of Northumberland's life-boats have been useful in saving life during the gale, and by a humane provision in the foundation of the Tyne Sailors' Home, several shipwrecked seamen are enjoying the protection of that institution, and are provided with board and lodgings free of cost. A Seaman and boy belonging to the Earl of Clancarty have reached here, the master and the other portion of the crew have been washed overboard in the gale. - Intelligence received at Blyth on Thursday, confirms the suspicions entertained with respect to the safety of Epsilon and John Baker. The wreck of the former vessel has been recognised at Craster; and it seems the latter was lost near the Heugh at Hartlepool. The crews of both vessels were lost. The Pansey, Dungeld, of Blyth, has put into Lowestoft with loss of anchors and chains."

10th: "Blyth Ships Wrecked - A quantity of wreck, porter casks, and two boats came ashore at Cresswell, on Sunday, one of the boats had no name, the other had the name "Vivid, of Sunderland," upon her stern. The Wards, Stannard, of Blyth, and the Jason, Watts, of Lynn, are ashore at Bamborough, crews saved. The schooner Enterprize, of Lynn, was lost, with all hands, off Newbiggin, on Sunday. A Dutch vessel is ashore near Hartley, coal laden, from Leith, crew saved in their own boat. Pieces of wreck brauded "John Baker, of Blyth," have gone ashore at Hartlepool, and it is feared that that vessel and all hands have suffered during the gale. Other vessels are not yet accounted for."

ADDED
Also a Merchant Navy Apprenticeship Indenture 18 Oct 1856 for William Greaves aged 14 Bound for 4 years to John Appleby, Blyth to serve aboard the John Baker of Shields (?) No 18638.  Enrolled at Blyth.