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Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« on: Thursday 05 April 18 09:36 BST (UK) »
I saw this story on the news last night.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0404/952165-mam-trasna/
Hopefully I'll get a chance to watch the documentary tonight but I just couldn't resist looking up the deaths of the people involved.
Victims
Margaret Joyce 80 widow
John Joyce 50 married
Bridget Joyce 45 married
Michael Joyce 17
Margaret Joyce 14
It might be interesting to find out more about them.

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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 April 18 09:40 BST (UK) »
The men hanged for the Joyce family murders
Patrick Casey 35 admitted his guilt
Patrick Joyce 35 admitted his guilt, married
Myles Joyce 45 not guilty, married.

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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 April 18 14:16 BST (UK) »
The story was featured on BBC Radio 4 "World at One". The man interviewed quoted late historian Robert Kee, who called it one of the most blatant miscarriages of justice in Ireland. I have Robert Kee's 3 volume history of Ireland; I must look it up.
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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 April 18 15:48 BST (UK) »
I was trying to find baptisms or birth certs for the two children but I'm going around in circles and not getting anywhere.


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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 April 18 16:08 BST (UK) »
There was another son Patrick who survived age between 9 and 11 but being so young and not saying his prayers they would'nt allow him give evidence.

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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 April 18 17:10 BST (UK) »
So....were Patrick Joyce 35  Myles Joyce 45 related to the other Joyces??   ;D ;D
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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 April 18 19:13 BST (UK) »
Still haven't found the children but this is interesting
A note attached to a baptism of I assume Myles Joyce's child
Right hand page May 3rd
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632012#page/26/mode/1up
see note at bottom of the page

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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 April 18 19:14 BST (UK) »
I'm guessing the MP of the note was Timothy Michael Healy MP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Healy_(politician)

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Re: Mam Trasna murders and Myles Joyce pardon.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 April 18 19:14 BST (UK) »
That was difficult to watch, so many families put through a terrible ordeal that never really ended for them.
At least it appears Patsy went on to have a family as some descendants of John Joyce and Bridget took part in the film.