Harold Stanley

[rainy]

Helping a friend who does not use computer and would like to find out about her grandparent's families.
Harold Stanley married Alice Lynn.
They died in New Zealand.
 I have looked at www.freebmd.UK at marriages and they married march 1916 Abergavenny, Wales.                 
 Harold Stanley was 78years when he died in 1970 and Alice Stanley nee Lynn I am not sure as several Alice Stanley's in bdm.NZ  There is no headstone to check.

Have also looked at freebmd.UK for births for Harold Stanley and this could be Dec 1891 Abergavenny Wales.
Also Alice Lynn maybe born June 1897 Abergavenny.

Because haven't been able to follow UK Census to find parents.

Apparently they came to New Zealand when their daughter Betty Stanley was about 2 years old.
Once again found a Betty Stanley born Dec 1919 Abergavenny, Wales.
Not sure about other siblings.

Just not sure where do go next, as have tried all the usual genealogy sites.

Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thank you.
rainy

[aghadowey]

Wonder if Harold went out first then wife and daughter followed?

12 Nov.1921 "Ormuz" departed London, England for Sydney, Australia
Mrs. A. Stanley, age 24, housewife; Miss B. Stanley, age 2. Address: 7 Rhydynos St., Blaenavon, Mon., getting off in to Sydney then travelling on to New Zealand.
The family above in manifest also giving same U.K. address-
Mrs. L.M. Walsh, midwife, age 38; Miss K. Walsh, age 4; Miss S. Walsh, age 2. Also getting off in Sydney with final destination N.Z.

[rainy]

Thank you I think that could be Harold Stanley's, wife and daughter.

I have also been given info re a mid wife but didn't and couldn't find name I was given.
But could be lady with them that you have found.

That's great, many thanks.

I have just wondered whether Harold went to WW1 and so been looking at Find My Past WW1 Service Records. There are several Harold Stanley's. But there is one that was a Coal miner so wondering whether it may be Harold Stanley I am trying to follow.

Many thanks.
rainy

[aghadowey]

I have looked at www.freebmd.UK at marriages and they married march 1916 Abergavenny, Wales.
Have also looked at freebmd.UK for births for Harold Stanley and this could be Dec 1891 Abergavenny Wales.
Also Alice Lynn maybe born June 1897 Abergavenny.
Once again found a Betty Stanley born Dec 1919 Abergavenny, Wales.

Those dates (March 1916, etc.) are the quarter when the registration of the even took place: Jan./Mar/. Apr./June, July/Sept., Oct./Dec.) not the actual date of the event.
An online tree gives Alice Lynn born 31 March 1897 at 3 Philips St., Blaenavon (this would fit with birth being registered in April/June quarter).

[rosie99]

Births Mar qtr 1917 
Stanley    Alice   mmn Lynn    Abergavenny    11a   87

Deaths Mar qtr 1917 
Stanley    Alice   age  0    Abergavenny    11a   80

[KGarrad]

The GRO Index Search offers Mother's maiden names.
Harold's entry is:
STANLEY, HAROLD        (Mother's Maiden Name:) SMITH      
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 11A  Page 63

There is a potential marriage for his parents:
December qtr 1886
Pontypool Registration District     vol 11a, page 233

Stanley, John Morris
+ and on the same page +
Smith, Sophia Evelyn

[Radcliff]

Could this be Alice in 1911,just a pointer
Alice Line a servant age not spot on
Head of household is  John Jones,
Town Blaenavon
Broad Street

[rainy]

Thank you KGarrad and rosie99.

Both great info and huge help.

I have looked at a 1911 UK Census Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales and a Family SMITH David, Head and Sophia Smith wife and children but has Stepson for David Smith, Harold Stanley and Thomas Stanley.
So perhaps Father has died and Sophia remarried???

What do you think?

Thank you for your help.
rainy

[rainy]

Thank you Radcliff, hadn't looked at LINE and should have, thank you.
Also thank you aghadowey for checking free bmd.uk re births and marriages.

Some times we so easily miss a connection in families.

So do you think John Stanley who died 1893 at 27 years Abergavenny is Harold Stanley's father?

Thank you.
rainy