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Offline Kirsty Edwards

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:16 BST (UK) »
Religion?

I know it says David was a church officer but to which church i have no idea

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:17 BST (UK) »
Linen weavers were attracted to Scotland to work in the cotton mills so presumably from Ulster? post  the Famine of the 1840's.  Maybole also had a shoe industry which employed Irish shoemakers!

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Kirsty,

10 years earlier on 1841 Census the family are at Girvan. They are transcribed as CROSGROVE.
Their children are born in Ayrshire the eldest being 14 on this census , so they probably arrived in mid- 1820s.

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:21 BST (UK) »
I would advise looking for Maria and David on all Scottish censuses.

You say you have them in 1851, but what about later censuses? You might be lucky that their birth place is noted in more detail than just "Ireland".

You are unlucky in that the 1871 census was taken on the night of the 2nd of April and David died on the 1st, but you should be able to find him in 1861.

It is likely that Maria and David came from a similar area, so even if you find Maria in 1871/81 after David's death, her pob might give you something to go on.

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:25 BST (UK) »
I would advise looking for Maria and David on all Scottish censuses.

You say you have them in 1851, but what about later censuses? You might be lucky that their birth place is noted in more detail than just "Ireland".

You are unlucky in that the 1871 census was taken on the night of the 2nd of April and David died on the 1st, but you should be able to find him in 1861.

It is likely that Maria and David came from a similar area, so even if you find Maria in 1871/81 after David's death, her pob might give you something to go on.

That is unlucky. This is what I have for David:

1841
Name   David Crosgrove

Age   40
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1801
Gender   Male
Where born   Ireland
Civil parish   Girvan
County   Ayrshire
Address   Chapedonan
Occupation   Cotton H L W
Parish Number   594
Household Members   
Name   Age
David Crosgrove   40
Maria Crosgrove   30
James Crosgrove   14
Mary Crosgrove   12
Elizabeth Crosgrove   10
Jane Crosgrove   8
Henry Crosgrove   5
Margaret Crosgrove   2

1851
Name   David Crossgrove

Age   53
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1798
Relationship   Head
Spouse   Moriah Crossgrove
Gender   Male
Where born   Ireland
Parish Number   600
Civil parish   Kirkmichael
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps   9089
Town   Crophill
County   Ayrshire
Address   Dalhowan Back Road
Occupation   Weaver
ED   8
Page   30
Household schedule number   107
Line   14
Roll   CSSCT1851_134
Household Members   
Name   Age
David Crossgrove   53
Moriah Crossgrove   47
Mary Crossgrove   22
Elisabeth Crossgrove   20
Jane Crossgrove   18
Henry Crossgrove   15
Margaret Crossgrove   12
David Crossgrove   9
Thomas Crossgrove   5

1861
Name   David Crossgrove

Age   63
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1798
Relationship   Head
Spouse's Name   Mariah Crossgrove
Gender   Male
Where born   Ireland
Registration Number   600
Registration district   Kirkmichael
Civil parish   Kirkmichael
County   Ayrshire
Address   Back St E Side
Occupation   Cotton Weaver
ED   8
Household schedule number   112
Line   17
Roll   CSSCT1861_87
Household Members   
Name   Age
David Crossgrove   63
Mariah Crossgrove   55
Jean Crossgrove   26
Margaret Crossgrove   24
David Crossgrove   19
Thomas Crossgrove   14

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:27 BST (UK) »
I would advise looking for Maria and David on all Scottish censuses.

You say you have them in 1851, but what about later censuses? You might be lucky that their birth place is noted in more detail than just "Ireland".

You are unlucky in that the 1871 census was taken on the night of the 2nd of April and David died on the 1st, but you should be able to find him in 1861.

It is likely that Maria and David came from a similar area, so even if you find Maria in 1871/81 after David's death, her pob might give you something to go on.

and for Maria Aitken Broadley I'm missing 1871 & 1881 for her. I couldn't find them.

1891
Name   Mrs David Crossgrove [Maria Crossgrove]

Age   87
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1804
Relationship   Head
Where born   Ireland
Registration Number   584B
Registration district   Crosshill
Civil parish   Kirkmichael
County   Ayrshire
Address   King St
Occupation   Living on Private Means
ED   3
Household schedule number   16
Line   1
Roll   CSSCT1891_201
Household Members   
Name   Age
Mrs David Crossgrove   87
David Crossgrove   18


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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:28 BST (UK) »
Just to get a feel for possible locations, I looked for the surname in the Irish censuses.

I could not find any with the spelling Crossgrove, but found a few in the 1901 and 1911 censuses as Crosgrove, mainly centered around Armagh with a couple in Wicklow.

Just a very vague clue and it maybe worth you searching for the alternative spelling.

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:29 BST (UK) »
You say all children were born in Scotland. Do you know when & where? Have you found any baptisms?

I found one baptism, their daughter, Jane - what does it mean in terms of religion?

Name   Maria Atkens
Gender   Female
Spouse   David Crossgrove
Child   Jane Crossgrove
Household Members   
Name   Age
David Crossgrove   
Maria Atkens   
Jane Crossgrove

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Re: Tracing past Scotland to Ireland
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 23:35 BST (UK) »
I don't use FamilySearch for censuses but I presume this is where you have cut and pasted these censuses from? (just a guess because Maria is called "Mrs David Crossgrove"  ;) )

Someone with more knowledge will be know for sure, but I am wondering if viewing the originals on Scotland's People would give more detail than simply "Ireland"?

Sadly I know that this is often not the case. 

Added: Just a thought ... I don't suppose you have checked to see if David and Maria married in Scotland?