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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 12 April 18 01:20 BST (UK) »
Obviously you will need certificates, starting with the 1843 birth certificate, to confirm details.

If John Bell and Ann Thompson didnít marry (I canít find it) then he did at least marry Hannah Dixon so there would be paternal details for him on that certificate.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 April 18 01:27 BST (UK) »
Actually it turns out that John Bell and Ann Thompson did marry, but not in England - they went to Gretna Green.

John Bell from the Parish of Allendale in the County Northumberland and Ann Thompson of the Parish of Alston in the County Cumberland They Being Free and Declared Themselves Single Persons was married 27th Day July 1840 by me Simon Lang.

Witnesses: John Forrester, Mary Lang, Charles Carlyle.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 April 18 08:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much AVM228  :). That is fantastic information. I have been struggling to progress with Family Search. Have I been searching in the wrong place.

Many thanks again
David
Overal from Co Durham,
Overall from Finchingfield, Essex
Craig from Cumbria and Co Durham
Harrington from Essex
Anderson from Co Durham and Yorkshire,
Shaw from Selby and Darlington

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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 April 18 12:05 BST (UK) »
As avm228 posted;
John Bell b abt 1816 may in turn be a son of William Vickers Bell and Ann

Marriage;
25 Jan 1810, St Cuthbert, Allendale
William Vickers BELL to Ann JOHNSON
(FreeREG)

The Bapt of Wm VICKERS Bell 28 Mar 1784 Parents JN/MGT is also on FreeREG
Fathers occp Farmer, abode High Frost Hall
transcribe.

Trish :)
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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 April 18 12:16 BST (UK) »
JOHN Bell buried 31 Dec 1811 Holy Trinity, Whitfield, Northumberland
Kitty Green, Allendale*
Notes; Died 29 Dec of Consumption. Late a Yeoman (Farmer)
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MARGARET Bell 17 Apr 1842 same Church
Age 87
(birth c 1755)
Abode Frost Hall, Allendale Parish
Both on FreeREG

Couldnt find Burials for them in in Allendale so searched other areas :)
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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 12 April 18 12:58 BST (UK) »
The Frost Hall connection seems to come from Margarets side of the Family;

MGT Vickers Baptised 5 Dec 1754, St Cuthbert, Allendale
Father THOS Vickers
Abode Frost Hall Shield
Fathers occp Yeoman
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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 15 April 18 20:09 BST (UK) »
I have found a John Johnson Bell born 4 May 1810 and baptized 24 Feb 1811 in Allendale. Parents William Vickers Bell and Ann Jordan.
Just wondered if this could be the John Bell referred to by AVM228 and trish1120. There is a potential 5 year date difference
Overal from Co Durham,
Overall from Finchingfield, Essex
Craig from Cumbria and Co Durham
Harrington from Essex
Anderson from Co Durham and Yorkshire,
Shaw from Selby and Darlington

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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 15 April 18 20:33 BST (UK) »
I have found a John Johnson Bell born 4 May 1810 and baptized 24 Feb 1811 in Allendale. Parents William Vickers Bell and Ann Jordan.
Just wondered if this could be the John Bell referred to by AVM228 and trish1120. There is a potential 5 year date difference

Tempting, isnít it!  But caution is required, as I see there is another John Bell - a butcher - born in Allendale about that time, living in Alston.

1861: 49 b Allendale
1871: 61 b Allendale

Also, there is a possibility that William Vickers Bell and Annís son John baptised in 1810 didnít survive, and a later son of the same couple was called John.  The ďrecyclingĒ of the names of deceased children was common.

To avoid going astray in your research, you really will those certificates to prove the links in the chain, stage by stage.

The 1846 marriage certificate for John Bell and Hannah Dixon should give you his paternal details.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: William Vickers Bell
« Reply #17 on: Monday 16 April 18 18:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks again avm228. Yes I need to request certificate to prove beyond doubt.

Interestingly I have just found another John Johnson Bell born 1883, mother's maiden name Telford, and registered in Lanchester Co Durham. This would appear to be the son of William Vickers Bell born 1843 and Ann Telford who were married in 1876 and lived in the area at the time. Also John Johnson Bell died in 1883 Castle Ward Northumberland. They also had a son Henry Charles Bell born in1884 , registered Castle Ward.The family seemed to have lived between Co Durham and Northumberland in the 1880s.

Overal from Co Durham,
Overall from Finchingfield, Essex
Craig from Cumbria and Co Durham
Harrington from Essex
Anderson from Co Durham and Yorkshire,
Shaw from Selby and Darlington