Hannah Mary Bradshaw - when did she die?

[Milliepede]

John Thomas Bradshaw married Nina Agnes Griffin in 1920 at Southwark. Nina Agnes died in 1938.

That person had a father called John not William so maybe we are on the wrong track but one of the witnesses is Hannah Mary Ashman - could that be mum?

Other witness is George Ashman.

[jonw65]

I had a look at Hannah Mary Ashman - I think that maybe she was a Harrington, as mentioned by Jill.

Hannah's on the Diocese of Westminster (Catholic) Census 1893 (never used that before!)
Mission of Barking Road
3 Swanscombe Street, Canning Town
Anne Williams
Hanorah Bradshaw
Thomas Bradshaw (son) 11/2
William Bradshaw Sailor
Margt Barrington
Not a lot of detail!
But may be the last sighting at the moment.

[Milliepede]

Yes I think you're right she was a Harrington.

1893 census?  Didn't even know there was one!  So she's down as Hanorah - interesting well found.

So husband is William not John so son got it wrong when he married.

[Milliepede]

Have we looked at this one?

Marriage banns 3/4/1898
Honora Mary Bradshaw widow
Alexander Muirhead widower

[Jill Eaton]

Yes the marriage for the son worried me initially since he'd got his father's occupation right but gave the incorrect first name.

It was seeing the Ashman surname as witnesses that was the clincher. Hannah Mary Ashman(nee Harrington) was the daughter of Mary Harrington (nee Williams), Hannah Bradshaw's twin sister

Perhaps the son was much too young when his father died to remember much about him. It may have been the William Bradshaw used John as a preferred name. It did make me wonder if Hannah died before her son's wedding so he had little to go on concerning his father's details but then realized other members of this very close family must have known at least something about William!

[Jill Eaton]

Have we looked at this one?

Marriage banns 3/4/1898
Honora Mary Bradshaw widow
Alexander Muirhead widower

Just looked on ancestry at this and it certainly looks like a possibility since it's hard to believe that there were loads of Hanora Mary Bradshaws - window  but I can't then find a register of the marriage actually taking place.

The various branches of the family seemed to have taken their religious denomination very seriously and it would be surprising if she'd married in a C of E ceremony but obviously not impossible.

[Jill Eaton]

I had a look at Hannah Mary Ashman - I think that maybe she was a Harrington, as mentioned by Jill.

Hannah's on the Diocese of Westminster (Catholic) Census 1893 (never used that before!)
Mission of Barking Road
3 Swanscombe Street, Canning Town
Anne Williams
Hanorah Bradshaw
Thomas Bradshaw (son) 11/2
William Bradshaw Sailor
Margt Barrington
Not a lot of detail!
But may be the last sighting at the moment.

I had a look at this and could identify everyone except Margaret Barrington. I then found her on the 1891 census married to a William Barrington - ship stoker!

I can't find Hannah Mary or (John) Thomas Bradshaw on the 1901 census though.

[jonw65]

There's this chap, don't know if connected (can't find him either!)
June 1897 West Ham 4a 137
Bradshaw, Patrick
mother Williams

[jonw65]

There's this chap, don't know if connected (can't find him either!)
June 1897 West Ham 4a 137
Bradshaw, Patrick
mother Williams

School record possibility - but one year out (not unknown!)
Bell Street School, Westminster (Marylebone)
Pat: Bradshaw
28 Brown St
father Wm
born 24.3.1896
admitted 12.11.1900

Couldn't see him at 28 Brown Street in the 1901 census (hopefully is piece 110 folio 117 page 16)
So had a look in the Marylebone settlement exam books and got lucky!
Possibly this is in September 1899 -
Honora Bradshaw 32
John Thomas 8
Patrick 21/2

Husband William Died at Sea 2 yrs ago
28 Brown St

Mentions Canning Town
Could be that she was settled in West Ham.

Ah, Sister Mrs Harrington
28 Brown St
can corroborate

John + Mary Harrington are at 28 Brown Street, Marylebone, in 1901!
John