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Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« on: Saturday 14 April 18 20:58 BST (UK) »
If anyone can help with this brick wall, I will be delighted.

I have John Harrison baptised in 1776 in Yardley, Worcs., married to an Elizabeth (maiden name unknown), who are my direct ancestors.

In 1841 they are in Saltley, Aston (Birmingham):
John , 65, Ag. Lab, b. out of county.
Elizabeth,  60,  b. ?Scotland.  **
Son Thomas. 22
Married daughter Margaret Clark, 25
Son in law John Clark, 24
Grandson Jeptha
Granddaughter Elizabeth

**  Elizabeth's place of birth is written as either S or I (which could be Scotland or Ireland).  I think it is an S, comparing it with other writing on the page and in view of the following information.

Elizabeth dies in 1847.

In 1851 I think that I have John, still living in Saltley.  He is the father of the head of the household, John Harrison aged 47, born around 1803 in Scotland, married to a Sarah with several children.

I can't find the marriage of John senior to Elizabeth.  I can't find any John Harrison born in Scotland at the right time with father John.  Also, there is a huge gap between his birth and the birth of Margaret in Birmingham in 1814.  And why should an Ag Lab from Yardley go to Scotland?  I have been tossing around all sorts of solutions for a very long time and the only logical one which I can come up with is that John junior was Elizabeth's son, either from a previous marriage or illegitimate, born in Scotland.  They some time afterwards moved south to England, Elizabeth met John senior and her son took the Harrison surname.

My real aim is to find out Elizabeth's surname since she is my 5 x great grandmother, but the whole tale has sparked my interest.  I think that it's an impossible task to trace her and the mysterious John junior, but if anyone has any ideas, I would be very grateful indeed.
Many thanks
Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 April 18 00:07 BST (UK) »

Hi Bev, You might want to have a look at this, it could be a possibility.

SP index. John Harrison/ Elizabeth Robertson married 1797 Perth. The index shows that they had several children born 1801-1810 including JOHN in 1803.
Remember John senior was 65 in '41 census he may not always have been an Ag.Lab. Perhaps he was in the army and posted to Scotland.

Val

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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 April 18 20:16 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much!  :)
I must admit that the possibility of John being a soldier had never occurred to me.  I think I'm right in saying that this was the era of the Napoleonic wars, so maybe yes, he had joined up.
This could be the answer to the puzzle.  I can't see any of the children in Scotland in 1841 so maybe they all moved south.  I now have a lot of new leads to follow up.
It just goes to show that it's always worth getting fresh eyes to look at a problem!
Thanks again, Val.

Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 April 18 21:19 BST (UK) »
By the way, I would be grateful if anyone who has access to the 1841 census could confirm my suspicion that the letter next to the name of Elizabeth Harrison is in fact S and not I   :)
I see that FreeCen has her as born in Ireland but I do think this is an error.

Thanks,
Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia


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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 April 18 22:21 BST (UK) »
It looks like  the other Ss on the pages but doesn't have an open loop at the top. I can't find an I in the same hand. The site that I looked at had her born Scotland.

Attached.

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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 April 18 23:37 BST (UK) »
A few pages before

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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 April 18 20:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Gadget.
I compared it with a couple of Sarahs on the same page and although not conclusive I do think that Scotland is the right place of origin.
Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 April 18 21:15 BST (UK) »
Not sure if you've got this, Bev,  but I followed up on the 1797 proclamation/marriage that Val found.

15 July 1797, Perth

John Harrison, soldier in the Windsor Forresters and Elizabeth Robertson Daughter to the deceased Robert Robertson Labourer in Perth. Parties both in this Parish..........
Regularly Proclaimed and Married 17th of July 1797.



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Re: Probably hopeless. Harrison from Worcs., and a Scottish connection.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 April 18 21:21 BST (UK) »
Possible baptism for Elizabeth/Elisabeth:

Perth 28 March 1779
Elisabeth daughter of Robert Robertson and Elizabeth Stewart


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