Looking for Missing Parents After Possible Name Change

[Jamjar]

On the 1841 as Hopkins, with 2 children: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ5M-4CX

On the 1861 with 6 children: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP9M-RP7

On the 1861 with 7 children: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M72Y-RYG

On the 1871 with 3 children: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBCP-QYV

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Mark’s death. Have you purchased his death certificate?

Name: Mark Hopkin
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1881
Registration District: Sheffield
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 63
Birth Year (Estimated): 1818
Volume: 9C
Page: 208
Line Number: 69

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Mary’s death?

Mary Ana Hopkin
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Mary Ana Hopkin
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1887
Registration District: Sheffield
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 68
Birth Year (Estimated): 1819
Volume: 9C
Page: 279
Line Number: 90

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Have you checked the early census’ for other Hopkin/Hopkins ‘table blade makers’?

Jamjar

[dreahatch]

So from the birth reg of Selina daughter age 8 in the 1851 census Mary - wife of Mark Hopkin - has the maiden name Longley.
No marriage on FreeBMD but marriage reg only started in Sept 1/4 1837 so if before that it will ba a parish record we are looking for. I couldn't see anything on familysearch.org but there is a marriage on FreeReg for a Mary Longley in Silkstone in the West Riding of Yorkshire 1831 but it is to an Edward Lawton and 1831 seems a bit early if the child Mary age 3 on the 1841 census is the eldest child of the marriage.

I have in my tree that he married Mary Ann Longley on February 7 of 1837 in the St. Peter & St. Paul Cathedral.

[dreahatch]

Have you checked the early census’ for other Hopkin/Hopkins ‘table blade makers’?

Jamjar

This is a good idea. I did pour over many census records yesterday in search of people who could have variations of the name Hopkin (Hopkins, Hopkinson, etc) who might have had a son named Mark, or a father with the first/middle name Mark etc. But I didn't think to look at blade makers.

[dreahatch]

Mary’s death?

Mary Ana Hopkin
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Mary Ana Hopkin
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1887
Registration District: Sheffield
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 68
Birth Year (Estimated): 1819
Volume: 9C
Page: 279
Line Number: 90

Jamjar

This definitely looks accurate, but I confess, I haven't confirmed as many sources for her yet. I had looked for a marriage record for her with hopes that his parents might be on it as witnesses or something, but maybe it was too early for that. I'll work on her to see if I learn anything helpful.

[dreahatch]

Can you identify the son / daughter  of Mark HOPKIN  from whom you are descended.

Can you give birth, death and marriage details for this person.........locations, names, dates, relevant to BDM events for this ancestor........child of Mark HOPKIN.

Where are you seeing a possible name change?

Absolutely. I am descended from his daughter Lavinia Hopkin and then down the Bingley line.

Birth record has only that she was born in Sheffield. Ancestry shows in her "Story" that she was born March, 1856  in Sheffield. Where else can birth date information this detailed be found? In other words, where is Ancestry getting this birth date?

Marriage to John James Bingley 09 April 1876, St. Mary's in Sheffield. I haven't found sources for this much detail so I am wondering if my grandma has physical records and added the data manually. I have on a marriage index that she was married in 1876 in Sheffield.

Regarding the name change, I don't see any evidence of it, it was only speculation from my grandmother based on her knowledge of a falling out between Mark and his parents after he was arrested.

Thank you for your interest and time.

[carol8353]

From the official GRO indexes.If she was born late in March,then her birth may not have been registered until early April,ie appearing in the June 1/4.

Births Jun 1856   

Hopkin    Lavinia        Sheffield    9c   259

MMN is    LONGLEY