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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 April 18 21:13 BST (UK) »
I am going to check on mother's maiden name of these  children tomorrow to see if that make  any sense and perhaps I can tie a family together

Many Thanks Jon

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 April 18 09:22 BST (UK) »
The problem I am having is lack of registrations and baptisms, pity I can't find Elisabeth Bragg on 1861 but my guess is she is miss transcribed one again

Will try to follow up Edward the artist

Louisa Maud
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 17 April 18 10:14 BST (UK) »
Another interesting bit I have found, looks like an Henry Bragg married a Martha Phillippo, shown as maiden name sometimes as Phillips

1861 he has a nephew Alexander Bragg living with him, perhaps Alexander took on the name of Henry because his uncle was kind to him and perhaps took him in, all supposition at the moment, 
I wonder if he is my elusive Henry Alexander Bragg

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 April 18 17:54 BST (UK) »
Interesting that Henry Wollen in that 1861 census was a carman which was Henry Alexander's occupation on 1871 census. Looks like the family split up after the death of Sarah Ann.

Martha Phillippo married Henry Wollon 16 Nov 1845 in the parish of St Martin in the Fields, his father George, farmer, and hers Matthew, gardener. Witnesses Charlotte Connall(?) & Charles Perks.

Edward Parker Bragg, artist, married Sarah Ann Phillippo 19 July 1842 his father Thomas, seal engraver, and hers Matthew, farmer. Witnesses Marian Augusta Bragg, John Jeffery Mudge and Susannah Maria Mudge.

1841 census Chapter St, St John the Evangelist HO107/737/18 folio 28 pg 13
Sarah Philippo 20
Martha 20
Emma 3
only Emma born in county

Martha baptised 14 March 1819 in Colkirk, Norfolk daughter of Matthew & Charlotte
Sarah Ann bp 8 Nov 1820 on Colkirk dau of Matthew & Charlotte
Sophia bp 20 June 1824 Letheringsett, Norfol dau of Matthew & Charlotte - she married Thomas Mann 12 July 1843 in St Mary's Lambeth
Matthew Philippo married Charlotte Sidle 15 Oct 1811 Stanfield, Norwich.
Charlotte buried 31 Dec 1828 aged in Hackney, address Union St, Newington
Matthew, widower, married Catherine Bynorth 22 Aug 1830 in West Hackney

1851 Powells Cottage, Turnham Green, Chiswick HO107/1699 folio 429 pg 30
Matthew Philipo head mar 62 ag lab b. Norfolk, Fransham
Catherine wife 60 b. Herts, Sawbridgeworth
Charlotte dau 21 b. Stoke Newington
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 18 April 18 08:49 BST (UK) »
Goodness me Osprey, you have really been busy on my behalf, huge thank you

I am collating all of the info to see where it goes, to be honest I wonder if my henry Alexander Bragg ever was a Bragg and the Edward artist was just made up, I have looked at every Henry Alexander from 1842 to 1852, birth constant on census till his death when it is a few years out but it is him

Thought he might have been illegitimate to Miss Phillippo but doesn't seem to be 

1851 would have been the nearest census to have found him but not joy so far, excepted to find him with a mother Elizabeth or Caroline

Huge thank you Osprey

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 April 18 09:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your help, I have collated all the information and am sifting through it, the ER's don't reveal anything around 1869/1871 either  so they weren't much help, thanks to Monica for helping me out on ER's

I am not convinced my H A Bragg was ever a Bragg, I will continue searching but calling this closed now to tidy things up a bit

Many thanks to all for your help

Happy Hunting

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 11:10 BST (UK) »
I have had my thinking cap on for weeks now and I am wondering now if my theory, putting everyone's thoughts into play,  that the following might be possible

19/07/1843
Marriage Edward  Parker Bragg
to
Sarah Ann Phillippo

20/10/1843 baptism of daughter Sarah Ann St James Paddington born before the marriage 02/01/1843

1851
Edward Bragg 53 ARTIST
Sarah wife 36
Sarah 8
Edward 6
ALEXANDER 5
Rose  3
Caroline  1     no places of birth shown

1861
the 2 youngest girls are in a workhouse school

1861 Alexander is living as nephew with Henry and Martha Wollen, she being nee Phillippo, sister of Sarah

So now I am assuming that my Alexander, no reg found as yet,  took on the name of Henry (Wollen) as it looks as if he was bringing this lad up

Edward was being shown as Edward Parker Bragg born 1790 but as yet I haven't found a death for him or his wife Sarah, only sightings so far 1851 and marriage

I wonder what you  fellow Rootschatters think about this theory, although I do have more searching to do  with this family

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 20:53 BST (UK) »
that does seem the most likely scenario, marriage was 1842.

Possible death for Sarah Ann Bragg june qtr 1857 age 38 Lambeth vol 1d pg 155 - she was baptised in 1820 making her age suspect on the census in 1851.

 
Baptisms in St Marylebone to Thomas and Susanna Bragg
21 Sep 1790
Edward Parker born 10 March 1790
Georgiana Augusta born 8 July 1787
Marian Augusta born 8 July 1787 (witness to the 1842 marriage)
Thomas Augustin born 1 Aug 1783
3 May 1789
Elizabeth born 13 April
and in St Giles in the Fields
25 July 1794
Charlotte
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 03 May 18 08:19 BST (UK) »
Strange thing is I cannot find a registration for Edward and Sarah's children, only found 1 baptism of Sarah Ann Georgina Bragg, no others, Sarah was baptised in St James Paddington and address Harrow Road Paddington,

Although I am 99.9% sure this is my henry Alexander , I am not going to add him to my huge family tree as yet, I notice 1 person had Edward and Sarah's family on Ancestry but hardly any follow up and nothing on Alexander

Many thanks for your Help Osprey, it looks as if I was up the wrong tree with Elizabeth Caroline Bragg's death

Going to do a bit more delving

Thank you also to Jon who came up with some of these details as well, think we have all turned detective on this one

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes