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ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« on: Monday 16 April 18 10:02 BST (UK) »
I have for years been hunting my husband's Gt Grandfather's birth, Henry Alexander Bragg.

I have found him from his marriage onwards, on all census birth appears to be circa 1847 ish but on his death it is 1852, I have the cert, census place of birth Strand then Lambeth,  have never found a birth registration or baptisms in Strand or Lambeth for him under Henry Alexander Bragg, with unusual Christian names I would have thought it would be easier, 

Henry's  first daughter had the name Elizabeth Caroline so I have been hunting for either an Elizabeth Bragg or Caroline as his mother , on his marriage Henry Alexander Bragg states father was Edward as an artist, we have searched that and came up with nothing at all.

There is an Elizabeth Bragg show traveller/traveller born Newington, I cannot find her anywhere else except 1871/1881 census as a show traveller born newington and  a  possible death. I am now wondering if Edward was an artiste which would make sense IF Elizabeth Bragg was his wife, show traveller, I have tried entering show traveller in the box on Ancestry but nothing comes up,1871 and 1881 she is a widow, can't find anything else about her or him

I have also put a search for H A Bragg on  London RC. prior to this

Any help much appreciated

Louisa Maud
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
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Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 April 18 10:35 BST (UK) »
Hi
Can't be sure, but from her age and place of birth (Horsleydown) in 1881, could she have been the wife of James Bragg?
Possible in Newington in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGK3-2DS
 
Maybe James was the chap who had a refreshment stall in Deptford in 1861?
She was buried at Brookwood, 10 March 1882.
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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 April 18 10:45 BST (UK) »
Hello Jon, thank you for your reply, below is the one I came up with

1871 was a bit difficult RG10/619 F 86 P 68, looks like, living Garden Place Newington

I will have a look at marriages to a James

Louisa Maud
 
1881  Census RG11/ 550/91  p 29
Newington, Westmoreland Road
Elizabeth Bragg  widow age 77 show traveller pauper b  Horseley Down, Surrey

 
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 April 18 11:55 BST (UK) »
Hi again
Have you seen this one?
23 April 1870, St Mary Lambeth
Edward Albert Bragg, full age, Bachelor, Shoe Maker, father Edward Albert Bragg decd, Artist
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Ellen Matthews
Residence for both Crozier Street.

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 April 18 12:53 BST (UK) »
I have found him in Crozier St 1871 with Ellen

I think his father was Edward Parker Bragg who married Sarah Phillippo , got them on 1851 but young Edward never with them again after 1851, 1861 as a visitor elsewhere and by 1871 was married

This is the nearest I have got with the father being an artist, I did notice Ed Powell was once again a witness at the marriage, he is on the marriage of Henry Alexander and Eliza Linton 1869, a real mess up with HA's surname, found her first

Thank you Jon, I will have to delve a bit more, I am going to order Elizabeth Bragg's death cert and go from there, appreciate all of your help Jon

LM
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 April 18 13:05 BST (UK) »
Phillippo is interesting.
I think that couple he is visiting in Westminster in 1861 are called Mann. But may say Man? (Mace on ancestry). If so, the youngest son, Walter M could be
June 1858 Westminster
Mann, Walter Matthew
mother Phillippo
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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 April 18 13:10 BST (UK) »
I think his father was Edward Parker Bragg who married Sarah Phillippo , got them on 1851

That was fast! I couldn't see him in 1851, but got them now, Brogy and Brogg on FamilySearch!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGN9-MFX

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 April 18 14:48 BST (UK) »
Try as I may I cannot find anything else  out about Edward and Sarah Phillippo and their family after 1851, also something strange is happening to Ancestry yet again today, comes up with numerous titles and when I click there are zero matches, something has happened over the last few day to Ancestry

The only baptism I can find is for the child Sarah born 1843 ish, no other baptisms and can't find registration either

Thank you Jon, I am giving up today as Ancestry isn't playing ball and it is frustrating

LM

Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: ELIZABETH BRAGG BORN CIRCA 1803 NEWINGTON. SON HENRY ALEXANDER BRAGG
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:46 BST (UK) »
Yes, the ancestry search engines have been playing up for a while. And getting worse!
There's a Rosina Bragg, 12, and Caroline Bragg, 10, in Lambeth Workhouse Industrial School in 1861. A death of a Sarah Ann Bragg in Lambeth in 1857 age 38. Could that be her? Don't know! Lambeth must come into it somehow?
Take it that your man must be "Elaxander Brogg" in 1851, it's a very poor job by the enumerator!
John