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Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« on: Wednesday 18 April 18 12:46 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

I'm in a bit of a rut with one of my tree branches and wondered if anyone could offer any advice.

So far I'm using a standard Ancestry paid membership, and the lan-opc.org.uk website.

I'm tracing my Lancashire Gradwell line. The furthest -reliable- ancestor is James Gradwell, b~1777.

James Gradwell m. Mary (Kershaw) 3 June 1795, Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George.

James Gradwell was buried in February 1847 aged 70. The likely baptism record seems to be:

Baptism: 12 Oct 1777 St Peter, Blackley, Lancashire, England
James Gredwell - Son of William Gredwell
    Abode: Moston
    Occupation: Weaver

I come a bit unstuck at William Gredwell, though. Previously I thought that James' parents were:

Marriage: 1 Dec 1782 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Gradwell - Silk Weaver, this Parish & Town of Manchr
Phebe Butterworth - (X), Widow, Manchr Aforesaid
    Register: Marriages 1782, Page 119, Entry 511

But that seems unlikely with James' birth year as 1777.....?

I wondered if anyone had any ideas about where to turn next? Might William be further afield do you think, prior to James' birth in 1777? (Not sure if this was likely in mid/late 1700s!)

Thanks in advance!

ETA - I have just discovered a previous thread with possible answers so consulting that now, apologies for any repetition here, a lot has happened since I last picked up the family tree!
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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 April 18 13:04 BST (UK) »
Some records from lan-opc that I'm looking at currently are below, but any advice/sanity-checking much appreciated at this stage!

Figuring out William Gredwell's marriage info would be brilliant.

Thank you!


Baptism: 20 Nov 1774 St Peter, Blackley, Lancashire, England
Richard Gredwell - Son of William Gredwell
    Abode: Moston
    Occupation: Weaver
    Source: Private transcription

Baptism: 12 Oct 1777 St Peter, Blackley, Lancashire, England
James Gredwell - Son of William Gredwell
    Abode: Moston
    Occupation: Weaver
    Source: LDS Film 2148000
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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 April 18 13:17 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is the birth of father William Gradwell (and a sibling of his).

In this parish, there is a distinct gap in years between the two baptisms below, and then the children of William (Richard and James).

Baptism: 28 Nov 1733 St Peter, Blackley, Lancashire, England
William Gradwill - Son of Matthew Gradwill
    Abode: Blakeley
    Occupation: Weaver
    Source: LDS Family Search

Baptism: 7 Mar 1735/6 St Peter, Blackley, Lancashire, England
Matthew Gradwill - Son of Matthew Gradwill
    Abode: Moston
    Occupation: Weaver
    Source: LDS Family Search
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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 April 18 14:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

There is a Will for a Mathew Gradwell of Dean Bridge Moston weaver  in 1785 .
You never know it may mention grandchildren.
Mathew Gradwell married at Manchester Cathedral Jane Rainworth 4.2.1732

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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 April 18 14:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you for this, I appreciate it.

I'm not sure why the marriage didn't come up in my searches but it seems very likely to be my 6th great grandfather and grandmother, thanks again.

I'm searching wills and probate on Ancestry but I can't seem to find the will you mentioned. Are you able to point me to the right resource/search engine?

Once again thank you for your help with this!
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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 April 18 11:06 BST (UK) »
Good Morning
Yes,sorry I should have been clearer.It's at Lancashire Archives.
lccsecure.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/questionnaires/runQuestionnaire.asp?qid=576248
It'll cost you 10.
The reference is 1432/48 Mathew Gradwell 14 Jan 1785 weaver Dean Bridge Moston Manchester.
Archdeaconary of Chester.
Of course it may not be your man .I don't know Manchester too well but how many Mathew Gradwell weaver's are there likely to be?

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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 21 April 18 10:49 BST (UK) »
Thank you!
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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 April 18 15:58 BST (UK) »
The will of Matthew Gradwell 1785 is available yo download on Find My Past, perhaps your local library has a subscription yo the site.

You need to go to births, marriages and deaths
Then wills
Then put in the record set Cheshire Wills
Then search for Matthew Gradwell
There are some other Gradwells mentioned who could be connected.

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Re: Stuck in a rut with Lancashire Gradwells! (mid 1700s)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 April 18 21:36 BST (UK) »
Before paying out see if it's available free on Family Search with the Lancs Wills on there. See the link below about Lancs Wills:-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778671.0


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