William and Phebe Dickinson

[edesearch]

Hi everyone,

I need some help identifying the children of William Dickinson (b. 28 Dec. 1782 Canaan, NY, d. 15 Oct. 1868 Augusta Township, Washtenaw County, Michigan) and Phebe ---- (b. 25 Dec. 1787 NY, d. 13 Aug. 1880 Augusta Twp., Washtenaw Co., MI).

It is somewhat likely the couple had a son around 1811 in Murray County, NY, who was called Hanford/Hadford/Handford Dickinson, however, I am yet to find any info confirming this.

If someone could help me find proof that Hanford/Hadford/Handford Dickinson is indeed the son of William and Phebe Dickinson it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Edesearch.

[RJ137]

Some background for others.

Previous thread: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lxe/

Find A Grave: https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=111551444

FS Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYDX-K54?1=1&spouse=LYDX-28T

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Murray, Orleans, New York

William Dickson(sp?) with one male child age 15-20 (Hanford?)
1830 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHG5-VKC

2 male children (Abel & Alonzo?) under age 5
1840 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHTR-J4D
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Carlton, Orleans, New York

(1850 last name mistranscribed)
1850 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC1M-12Y

1855 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K63N-27F

[Genealiza]

Hi, I assume you are the owner of the following:

http://mclemoregenealogy.org/getperson.php?personID=I8656&tree=McLemore

Abel's death certificate states that he was born in Carlton, [Orleans], NY.  The following shows that Abel and Alonzo are indeed the sons of Hanford Dickerson.

The 1850 Census of Hanford Dickerson (Peckesson) of Carlton, Orleans, NY
Dickerson, Hanford, 39, shoemaker, b. NY
                Clarisa, 33, b. NY
                Able, 14, b. NY
                Alonzo, 12, b. NY
                Tyler, 9, b. NY
                Melissa, 7, b. NY

As for William, the 1830 census mentioned above:
1830 Census:  Murray, Orleans, NY
William Dickson
      males:  1 (15-20) would match Hanford, 1 (40-50) would be William
      females:  1 (20-30) possibly Fannie Eliza, 1 (30-40) unidentified, and 1 (40-50) probably Phoebe

1840 Census:  Superior Twp, Washtenaw, MI
Wm. Dickerson 
       males: 1 (50-60)
       females:  1 (<5) Phebe Jerusha, 1 (50-60) probably Phoebe

1840 Census: Augusta Twp, Washtenaw, MI
F.E. Spaulding
       males:  1 (<5) Erastus H Spaulding, 1 (5-10) Henry C Spaulding
       females:  1 (<5) Fanny M Spaulding, 1 (5-10)Phebe A Spaulding, 1 (30-40) Fanny Eliza

1850 Census:  Augusta, Washtenaw, MI
Wm. Dickinson, 68, b. NY, farmer
Phebe               63, b. NY
Jerusha             15, b. NY

next entry:

James  Morgan, 48, b. NY, farmer
Fanny E             42, b. NY
Fanny M Spaulding, 11, b. MI
Phebe A Spaulding, 15, b. NY
Henry C Spaulding, 17, b. NY, farmer
Mary E Morgan, 8, b. MI
Wm. M Morgan, 4, b. MI
Charles Morgan, 2, b. MI

1860 Census:  Augusta, Washtenaw, MI
James Morgan, 58, b. NY, farmer
Fannie E           51, b. NY
Mary E             17, b. MI
William W         14, b. MI
Charles H          12, b. MI
Levi B                 3, b. MI
William Dickinson, 78, b. NY
Fannie M Spaulding, 20, b. NY

1870 Census:  Augusta, Washtenaw, MI
Morgan, James, 67, b. NY, farmer
             Eliza, 61, b. NY
             Charles H, 21, b. MI
             Mary E, 26, b. OH  (1860 shows her born in MI)
             Emma H, 3, b. MI

Henry C Spaulding and family are enumerated 3 positions below the Morgans

So to answer your question about the children of William and Phebe:  Hanford seem to be a son, and Fanny Eliza seems to be a daughter.

Fanny married first, Erastus Spalding and is on his tombstone pictured here:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/23342314/erastus-a-spalding

All of this material can be found on www.familysearch.org -- a free site, but you might need to sign up to be able to see the original documents

[edesearch]

Wow, thank you both so much.

Genealiza, I am not the owner of the info in the link you provided, but everything else matches up.

Thanks again
Edesearch

[edesearch]

Hello,

In reply#2 Genealiza notes that in 1850 a 15yr old called Jerusha was living with William and Phebe in Augusta, Washtenaw, MI. Given William and Phebe were both in their 60s at the time I doubt Jerusha was their daughter, however the thought crossed my mind that she may potentially be a granddaughter.

Looking through marriage records from Murray, Orleans county, NY, I stumbled across the following entry:

“1834 September 10th Hanford Dickenson age  23 occupation a farmer to Jerusha Evens age 22 a spinster & both of Murray Orleans County & both to me personally known & in the presence of Oliver Evens & Aurelia Evens both of the town and County aforesaid”

Anyway, I was wondering whether the 15yr old Jerusha living with William and Phebe in 1850 could be the daughter of Hanford and Jerusha Evens? Counting back 15 yrs from 1850 brings us to 1835, one year after Hanford and Jerusha married in 1834.

Edesearch

[oldohiohome]

Anyway, I was wondering whether the 15yr old Jerusha living with William and Phebe in 1850 could be the daughter of Hanford and Jerusha Evens? Counting back 15 yrs from 1850 brings us to 1835, one year after Hanford and Jerusha married in 1834.

Edesearch

So events would go like this: Hanford and Jerusha Evans marry, Jerusha Dickinson is born, Jerusha (Evans) Dickinson dies, maybe in childbirth, then Hanford remarries quickly, to Clarissa Tyler. Rather than raise Jerusha Evans' child in Clarissa's home, they have her raised by Hanford's parents, William and Phoebe. 

William and Phoebe Dickinson move from Murray NY to Washtenaw Co, Michigan between 1830 and 1840, taking Jerusha with them.
It all fits with what you have so far.

Can you find a birth record for young Jerusha or a death record for her mother, Jerusha (Evans) Dickinson, in Murray NY?
Or can you find a marriage or death record for a Jerusha (Dickinson) __, born in New York, in Washtenaw Co --or anywhere else, since she and a husband could have moved on?

I looked at ancestry.com at a few Jerusha __ in Washtenaw County. If the ancestry.com hints are correct (a big if) then she is not Jerusha Logan, Jerusha Striker, and maybe not Jerusha Johnson, or Jerusha Graves. Which didn't leave any others.

I also looked at ancestry and familysearch for anyone with parents' names Hanford Dickinson and Jerusha Evans, and didn't find anyone.

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That is the sort of approach you will need to take to prove the theory correct that Jerusha Dickinson in William's household is Hanford's daughter.

[edesearch]

Cheers Oldohiohome,

I’ve been looking for a birth record for Jerusha but so far haven’t had any luck. I’m not even sure where to find birth records for Orleans County prior to 1880, any tips?

[oldohiohome]

It doesn't look real good. 

I don't think there were civil records for NY State at that time. You will probably have to look at Orleans county genealogy resources, societies, genweb pages, etc. For example, In a couple of counties where my family was from in Pennsylvania, people transcribed the vital records from announcements in local newspapers and published them in hardcover, but they aren't on the internet. You'd have to search a genealogy library catalog for Orleans Co Ny and see what shows up. Then get the book or get someone to access a copy. Try AmericanAncestors.org, Newberry Library, Allen County Public Library (Fort Wayne IN)  for starters.

Familysearch might help, and there is a link to Murray at the bottom of the page, but very little there.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Orleans_County,_New_York_Genealogy
Try searching their catalog also, not their database of records, and see if Orleans Co has any listings.

Orleans Co genweb page:
https://orleans.nygenweb.net/
but I did a site search for some of your family's names and didn't find anything. Maybe if you browse through the site you might find something.

I tried Googling "Orleans County NY" followed by different combinations of Dickinsons, their first names, and Jerusha Evans/Evens, but didn't find much. In fact the 2nd and 3rd hits were these rootschat threads.

Try things like that, is my suggestion.

[edesearch]

Cheers, I'll have a look and see if I can find anything.