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Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« on: Saturday 21 April 18 21:53 BST (UK) »
We think this is a portrait of my great-grandfather Robert Lay but we're not 100% sure but it would help to date it. Can anyone help identify the year it was taken from the clothing and hairstyle.
The back shows the photographers to be Russell's Studios, 56 High Street, Camden Town, London NW1. Does anyone know anything about them, eg when they were trading and how long they were at that address.

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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 April 18 16:47 BST (UK) »
This isn't easy as I'm not good at dating men but this will bring it up for Jim...possibly 1915/20 but not sure. Is it a postcard?

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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 April 18 17:40 BST (UK) »
I'd say more or less the same as Carol - maybe post WW1-1922 ish.

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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 April 18 17:56 BST (UK) »
Yes it is a postcard. The back features the photographic studio's name. The man we think it is died in 1918 and was aged 30. I'd say the man in the photo was as bit younger than that so that would be it was taken circa 1908-1914.

Also attached is a photo of the man who we think is his son. Are there any facial recognition experts out there who might be able to say that these two men are related?


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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 April 18 18:11 BST (UK) »
There are a lot of similarities in the features so the second photo could well be his son. Not as early as 1908 so the later date would be most likely...maybe taken before he went to war.
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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 April 18 21:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your help. Can anyone narrow it down to a more precise date, I was wondering about the style of neck tie and the way he wears it and the shape of the shirt collar and the number of buttons on the double breasted jacket.

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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 April 18 21:49 BST (UK) »
Unless Carol has any more info, I think you might have to wait for Jim. The earliest photos that I have with that neck wear (tie and collar) is 1918 and my chart says double breasted jackets came in in 1918.  The problem is that most photos of young men at that time were in uniform.
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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 31 May 18 21:05 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help date the photo by the clothes/hairstyle, or by the photographers name on the back of the photo. I tried to look up the address (56 Camden High Street) in street directories of the era we think it is from (1910-1918) and found a photogrpahers there in 1914 but not the same name. Can anyone help?

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Re: Help needed dating a photograph of great-grandfather Robert Lay maybe
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 June 18 09:58 BST (UK) »
I would agree that the 1st. picture is 1920's.
The second is a man of the Rifle Brigade TF also post war.
I can't quite make out the shoulder title but could read London which would make sense.
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