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Re: "Bastard Laws" and courts in the U.K.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 April 18 13:39 BST (UK) »
The Hon. Charles Lennox Butler, born 1813, died on the 5th March 1885 in Cannes. He was married twice, in 1835 to Eliza Holland, who died in 1866, and secondly to Constance Isabel Walcott in 1872. He was the sixth son of James, 22d Lord Dunboyne, and uncle of Lord Dunboyne. The Times (London, England), Wednesday, Mar 11, 1885.

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Re: "Bastard Laws" and courts in the U.K.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 April 18 13:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks Stan - yes I have some info on Charles Lennox Butler - I am trying to work out how to verify he was the father of my wife's ancestor Robert Hastings Smith as he (RHS) claimed.

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Re: "Bastard Laws" and courts in the U.K.
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 April 18 13:56 BST (UK) »
I'm getting distracted looking at these papers ;Yes I was looking at Charles Lennox Butler
There seem to be another family of BUTLER's who are  described as trouble making gypsies

Charles lennox was nominated as a sherriff living at Cotton House Rugby(which is surely not in Bucks )  in nov 1861


 If we had mother's name there may be something to link Charles directly to Robert
#sorry missed the post Ann or Mary

Do you have her census addresses before and after the birth of Robert ?
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid smith jones,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 April 18 14:18 BST (UK) »
Do we know where Roberts middle name Hastings came from
or is it a double barrelled surname ?
Do you  have his birth records ?



I hope his mother wasnt related to
Rebecca Smith who was executed for murdering her infant child ..1st sep 1849 Bucks. gazette

we may be able to find school records for Robert they would give parent or guardian name
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid smith jones,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson


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Re: "Bastard Laws" and courts in the U.K.
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 April 18 14:52 BST (UK) »
Did RHS emigrate to Australia? (as you say he travelled to England several times)

If so, do you know when he came to Australia and who with?

Do you have him on any English census, with or without mother, siblings or family?

It seems a little odd that he does not know the maiden name of his own mother. If he was illegitimate he may have been registered with her surname and later took the surname Smith if his mother married for example.

He gave the information about her on his own marriage certificate and said her name was Anne. What was the other document which named her as Mary?

Do you know what happened to Anne?

Did RHS die in Australia? Sometimes information on d/cs is not correct, especially relating to parents of the deceased.

I understand you are trying to confirm the story, but I think some of your 'evidence' is perhaps a bit 'weak' for want of a better term (sorry) eg the names he gives his children.  :) This is not proof that CLB is his father, but only that he believes CLB is his father.  :-\

Like brigidmac, I am curious about the middle name of Hastings, and wonder if that is a clue to his mother's surname or .... if it has some other relevance? (some middle names end up being red herrings ... some not)

If you can locate living descendants of CLB and persuade them to take a DNA test I think that might give you some answers.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 April 18 01:23 BST (UK) »
I.d
Like to do some searches but lack information there are definitely sone RoBert Hastings on school records and on censuses and on ships arriving in uk and lots of Robert Smiths   ....
Are you sure about his birth year ..was that also from marriage certificates

Any information on the ship records you have
..like address oof destination .?

Also do you have addresses of  the Hon. Charles in 1841 51 61 71 and 81

Nothing came up when I searched newspapers on ancestry tho the articles DO exist on Genes site ..

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 23 April 18 08:41 BST (UK) »
Also do you have addresses of  the Hon. Charles in 1841 51 61 71 and 81

Nothing came up when I searched newspapers on ancestry tho the articles DO exist on Genes site ..

"The Choice CELLAR of WINES of the Hon. Charles Lennox- Butler, deceased, late of 5, Belgrave-square,......" Morning Post - Monday 03 August 1885

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 23 April 18 09:20 BST (UK) »
what town ..stan ?
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Re: "Bastard Laws" and courts in the U.K.
« Reply #17 on: Monday 23 April 18 12:10 BST (UK) »
I've just read the earlier thread on this man, is it possible to link the 2 threads together?

Reading the other thread it appears that Robert arrived as Robert Smith if I've understood everything correctly.