mary underdowne

[cathieee]

hi tony

thanks so much for this, i just wanted the clarification on mary underdownes father, as i said could nt find any parish reg with her birth on just this "millennium file" on ancestry, then i found that wolfe fam tree thing on internet- the link above saying vincent was her dad so put it in, but then i found that book

but now i ve found an excerpt from a book called dane court st peters, a kentish manor and its families, by peter j hills, i think written in 1977, here is an excerpt from it

stephen tomlins eldest son of john 1600 to 1651 of northdown and updown married mary underdowne, daughter of john underdowne of st laurence, by whom he had 6 sons and 5 daughters, all this fits in with my tree other than the fact that it says mary underdowne s father is called john not vincent

so that threw me to wondering whether that book had better knowledge than the wolfe fam tree and the file on ancestry

i know phillis married to vincent was married to a richard harry for 2 years before, she was born phillis estice, i have both marriages on parish records all at at laurence, but i have no birth for her

john tomlins parents were both well dead by the time he married and his mothers maiden name was sackett but i dont have any siblings for her

i have this from that hills book again

1588 • St Peter, Kent, England

Marriage "Stephen Tomlin of St Johns (C.1605). Mary,Dau. of John Sackett of Sacketts Hill." Source - "Dane Court. St Peter's-in-Thanet by Peter J Hills"

got to go to work now, thanks again, catie

[rosie99]

i think i ve been told that if 2 people were from different parishes they are registered at both

Banns would have been called in both parishes before the marriage 

According to redtonyt the marriage was by licence so banns would not have been called.

[redtonyt]

The St Lawrence Register has an entry relating to the marriage but says it took place by Licence AT CANT.  My capitals.

For clarification,
Tony

[cathieee]

should just say thanks for clarification on mary s dad being called vincent, so that book i was reading has the wrong father down for her
 i may have asked this before, but does it mean that the original birth, death and marriages are nt on line, just the parish register copies that people have made ?? and would those parish originals not have age, job and parents names on them like the ones you find or have the transcribers just not bothered to note them down ?? also on some people i have up to 4 or 5 parish registers about the birth of a particular person all different ones, why are there so many different parish copies ??
thanks again

tony i have another query about another kent line in same family should i start a new post or can i ask it here, thanks again

[rosie99]

i may have asked this before, but does it mean that the original birth, death and marriages are nt on line, just the parish register copies that people have made ??

and would those parish originals not have age, job and parents names on them like the ones you find or have the transcribers just not bothered to note them down ??

also on some people i have up to 4 or 5 parish registers about the birth of a particular person all different ones, why are there so many different parish copies ??
thanks again

Often registers are very hard to read so transcripts may vary slightly.  You always need to check the source of the transcript and if possible view the original. 

Original records at that time had very little information, marriages often just gave Bride & Grooms name & date. 

There is only one parish register for each parish.  There is also a Bishops transcript - An Act of 1598 required Church ministers to make copies of their parish registers and send the copies to their Bishop each month. These copies are known as Bishop's Transcripts, or occasionally Archdeacon Transcripts.

Some online sites appear to have duplicated the same record which obviously causes confusion.  In the case of transcripts of marriages you sometimes see a marriage being quoted as having taken place in two parishes, as I stated in an earlier post it was possibly just the banns which have been transcribed as the marriage.

tony i have another query about another kent line in same family should i start a new post or can i ask it here, thanks again

You should start another thread

[cathieee]

hi rosie

thanks for that, i read through a whole parish register last night and found about 10 births, 2 marriages and 2 deaths that i did nt have through looking up with ancestry, i think im good at deciphering them now lol, but some of these register are just for surnames not necessarily in chronological order  ,who would have made these registers ?? is it just members of the public who go to the church or is it their job to copy them ??

[lizdb]

The Parish Register was completed by the Vicar/Rector/Curate etc of the Church to record what baptisms, marriages and burials he took.

[cathieee]

hi yes but the ones i see on ancestry look like they ve been written in the last 50 years or so ??

[rosie99]

Can you please give us a link/details so that we can see an example of what you are referring to